On Friday, 3 July 2015 10:30:06 UTC+1, wrote:

(Modifications to the Citaro bendy buses sorted that problem out.)

Not Mercedes finest hour TBH. Though I still think the idea is far better
than a double decker.

Agreed. Certainly better than a double-decker. I miss them, even though I DO like the Borisbus.

But I too have not been on a Borisbus in the last few days, so I cannot tell how hot they are.

I have been on the front upstairs of a standard double-decker 280 bus to Sutton with the sun streaming in the unopenable front window and being reminded of various tortures at Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 03:11:45 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Friday, 3 July 2015 10:30:06 UTC+1, wrote:

(Modifications to the Citaro bendy buses sorted that problem out.)

Not Mercedes finest hour TBH. Though I still think the idea is far better
than a double decker.

Agreed. Certainly better than a double-decker. I miss them, even though I DO
like the Borisbus.

But I too have not been on a Borisbus in the last few days, so I cannot tell
how hot they are.

Last time I went on one in hot weather it was warm but not intolerably so.
My beaf with them is the cost and the fact that like most so called hybrids
they batteries seem to be used to move from the bus stop to the middle of the
road at which point the diesel fires up and keeps going until the next stop.
I do wonder just how much fuel these things safe compared to what they were
promised to save.

I have been on the front upstairs of a standard double-decker 280 bus to
Sutton with the sun streaming in the unopenable front window and being
reminded of various tortures at Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo.

Yup, they're good for that. And of course the main problem with a DD if you're
disabled or a pensioner or a mother with a buggy you can write off using the
top deck anyway plus there's officially no standing up there further reducing
carrying capacity.

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On 2015-07-03 10:11:45 +0000, Offramp said:

Agreed. Certainly better than a double-decker. I miss them, even though
I DO like the Borisbus.

I like it as well, but absent a proper, full air conditioning system
(rather than a limited cooling system) the windows should have been
openable.

Neil
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Is it possible that part of the problem is air-conditioning? All car drivers know that if the AC is on then all the windows should be shut. Did a designer think, "There is no need to have openable windows because there will be AC"?

Offramp wrote:
Is it possible that part of the problem is air-conditioning? All car
drivers know that if the AC is on then all the windows should be shut.
Did a designer think, "There is no need to have openable windows because there will be AC"?

Perhaps, but the bus only has 'air cooling', not proper air-conditioning. I
assume the problem with fitting proper air-conditioning is that the bus is
already overweight.

On 2015-07-03 21:19:55 +0000, Offramp said:

Is it possible that part of the problem is air-conditioning? All car
drivers know that if the AC is on then all the windows should be shut.
Did a designer think, "There is no need to have openable windows
because there will be AC"?

There isn't A/C. There is air cooling, and it is pathetic and
basically doesn't work, but yes that is probably the reason.

Neil
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