In message , at 16:29:58 on Sat, 28
Feb 2015, Neil Williams remarked:

Wow. I don't think you've mentioned that. That's a scandalous flaw.
In the bus, not in you!

I would be interested in what the precise cause of that is. I have a
similar thing with trains - the awful suspension and failure to bolt
the seats to the wall on the Class 180s means I can barely stand a
journey in one.

While I as a person can cope with the 180's sideways oscillations, it
makes it impossible to type on a keyboard whose keys are shifting left
and right faster than one could ever correct for it.
--
Roland Perry

On 2015\02\28 16:29, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2015-02-28 12:53:55 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Wow. I don't think you've mentioned that. That's a scandalous flaw.
In the bus, not in you!

I would be interested in what the precise cause of that is. I have a
similar thing with trains - the awful suspension and failure to bolt the
seats to the wall on the Class 180s means I can barely stand a journey
in one.

??

I now have this mental picture of a train with a load of swivel chairs
sliding around on every curve. Wildly swinging chandeliers would
complete the image. And some very annoyed people in waistcoats with
twirly moustaches, playing snooker and shouting "Great Scott!"

On Saturday, 28 February 2015 18:06:05 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\02\28 16:29, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2015-02-28 12:53:55 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Wow. I don't think you've mentioned that. That's a scandalous flaw.
In the bus, not in you!

I would be interested in what the precise cause of that is. I have a
similar thing with trains - the awful suspension and failure to bolt the
seats to the wall on the Class 180s means I can barely stand a journey
in one.

??

I now have this mental picture of a train with a load of swivel chairs
sliding around on every curve. Wildly swinging chandeliers would
complete the image. And some very annoyed people in waistcoats with
twirly moustaches, playing snooker and shouting "Great Scott!"

.....LOL! And one man trying to keep a pencil upright on a saucer.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\02\28 16:29, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2015-02-28 12:53:55 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Wow. I don't think you've mentioned that. That's a scandalous flaw.
In the bus, not in you!

I would be interested in what the precise cause of that is. I have a
similar thing with trains - the awful suspension and failure to bolt the
seats to the wall on the Class 180s means I can barely stand a journey
in one.

??

I now have this mental picture of a train with a load of swivel chairs
sliding around on every curve. Wildly swinging chandeliers would complete
the image. And some very annoyed people in waistcoats with twirly
moustaches, playing snooker and shouting "Great Scott!"

I must say, that was one of the nice things about the Caledonian Sleeper
when I travelled on it (which was, as I mentioned before, about 15 years
ago) - the bar car had proper tables and chairs you could move. It was
quite a novelty!

It also had ashtrays - ahh, those were the glory days...


Romanian sleepers don't have the movable furniture in the dining car, but
joy of joys you can get an ashtray (or more accurately, ash saucer) if you
ask nicely :-).

On 2015-02-28 18:06:04 +0000, Basil Jet said:

??

Most trains have a pair of seats supported by being bolted to a track
on the sidewall and having only one "leg" on the other side, bolted to
the floor.

The Class 175 and 180 have two vertical "legs" bolted to the floor, not
the sidewall. As the frame isn't rigid enough, this means they sway
side to side.

Neil
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Neil Williams
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On 2015\02\28 20:56, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2015-02-28 18:06:04 +0000, Basil Jet said:

??

Most trains have a pair of seats supported by being bolted to a track on
the sidewall and having only one "leg" on the other side, bolted to the
floor.

The Class 175 and 180 have two vertical "legs" bolted to the floor, not
the sidewall. As the frame isn't rigid enough, this means they sway
side to side.

Hopefully there's no room for fingers between the seat and the wall!

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:51:17 +0000, Neil Williams
wrote:

On 2015-02-28 10:56:30 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

I expect the NB4L will always remain controversial. I don't use them
because they are so noisy they give me headaches and make me ill. I
rarely get headaches so for me to get one requires something
"special". Every time a route converts to the NB4L another bit of the
bus network is "shut off" for me. Call me stupid if you want but no
other bus makes me ill.

I don't find them any noisier than any other London bus with the
upstairs extractor fans. Is there perhaps something else about them,
like the ride quality?

No not the ride quality which, to be fair, isn't too bad. I had an
excrutiating journey on a 24 where the engine was running permanently,
the vent system was roaring away plus the never ending bleeps and
warning noises about the rear door when in crew mode. By the time I
alighted I was done in. I've made some very long journeys by bus and
never felt the same.

Wow! I've had perfectly comfortable rides in NB4Ls. Whereabouts do you sit?
I almost always sit on top at the front.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 2015-02-28 21:34:50 +0000, Basil Jet said:

Hopefully there's no room for fingers between the seat and the wall!

Never even thought of that, but it's yet another reason why it's an
idiotic design...

Neil
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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the @ to reply.

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 07:19:32PM +0000, Clank wrote:

I must say, that was one of the nice things about the Caledonian Sleeper
when I travelled on it (which was, as I mentioned before, about 15 years
ago) - the bar car had proper tables and chairs you could move. It was
quite a novelty!

It still does!

--
David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club"

Blessed are the pessimists, for they test their backups

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 07:19:32PM +0000, Clank wrote:

I must say, that was one of the nice things about the Caledonian Sleeper
when I travelled on it (which was, as I mentioned before, about 15 years
ago) - the bar car had proper tables and chairs you could move. It was
quite a novelty!

It still does!

Until the present stock is replaced under the new franchise, presumably.

--
Colin Rosenstiel