In message , at 12:52:05 on Sat, 19 Sep
2015, Basil Jet remarked:
No doubt you think Boris is an American then.

Are you asking me about the nationality of Mr Kemal?

In that case (see below) the answer is "Turkish", but he died in 1922,
so it's not terribly relevant.

Who?

Oh dear, can't use google?

The first page of which gives me a choice of 5 Mr Kemals (the most
prominent of which is fictional).

No doubt there are 100s more in the following pages

How on earth is one supposed to know to which Mr Kemal it is that you
refer?

Boris's name would be Kemal if Osman Kemal had not changed his name to
Wilfred Johnson during the First World War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal

--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:33:17 +0200, Robin9
wrote:

British Leyland died under Thatcher, not before Thatcher.

WELL YEAH! The cheap money dried up and the cancer died. doh!

In the 1970s
the
Government had taken a stake in BL which Thatcher sold off to her
beloved
British Aerospace. I don't recall the financial details but, knowing
Thatcher, I
imagine she sold it for less than its real value, thus cheating the
British people
and rewarding her friends.

The taxpayer was fortunate HMG did not have to pay BAe to take the
crock of its hands.

The fact that the innumerable strikes and stoppages in the 1970s did not
kill
off British industrial companies proves that the underlying strength of
those
companies must have been considerable. It was only after 1979 that these

companies, many of which exported on a large scale, went to the wall.

Trades Unions exist to protect their member's interests, not organize
political strikes and destroy shareholder value.

The
inescapable truth is that British industry could contend with strikes,
three day
weeks and stop/go economic strategies but could not survive the credit
squeeze, high interest rates and high value of the pound that Thatcher
and her dim-witted, uncomprehending Chancellor, Geoffrey Howe brought
in.
It should always be remembered that most of the companies that went
under
during the Thatcher/Howe period were making a theoretical profit.

Theoretical, sure. Stop subsidizing stupidity with cheap money and
the party was over.

They
were
not trading at a loss but they ran out of money. Michael Edwardes, the
boss
of British Leyland, commenting on how high interest rates were killing
British
manufacturing, said it would be better for the U. K. if North Sea oil
was left
under ground!

Thatcher of course ignored him.

The successful can afford to ignore failures like Edwardes.

She needed North Sea oil revenues to
finance
her tax cuts for the rich and unemployment benefits for the growing
number
of people out of work because the now much reduced U. K. economy was not

generating the same tax returns it had in the 1970s. So while Norway
used its
North Sea oil revenues both to finance a huge investment in
infrastructure
and to set aside a future investment fund, our North Sea oil revenues
were
frittered away and at the end of the 1970s one of Thatcher's legacies
was a
country with a crumbling infrastructure.

Norway was fortunate not to have several decades of left wing
infiltration to reverse.

Your comment about subsidising rents is comically relevant to today's
Thatcher created situation where rents are astronomical and have to be
subsidised by the tax payer: about £23 billion this year, I believe.

I note your confession that you did not feel up to buying your property
in the
open market as the rest of us did.

No, inflation always kept a home out of our reach. We knew we could
afford the one we were in if we could but persuade our borough council
to sell it to us.

Instead you waited until Thatcher
flogged
it to you at an enormous discount,

A man does his best for his family. When an opportunity presents
itself only a fool ignores it.

then sold it at a vast profit and
cleared off
to America. An authentic Thatcher idolator!

Ad hominem invective noted. Sad really, because you are more than
capable of marshalling facts and making your case. So, conversation
over.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:40:33 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 03:25:18PM +0100, e27002 aurora wrote:
wrote:
I'm more inclined to blame Clement Attlee's green belts. At least in
London and its immediate surroundings there is little land left to build
on unless you first knock something down. ALL of the new developments
near my place - and there are a lot of them - are on the site of some
now demolished building.
Are you NUTS? I have lived in an unending urban sprawl, Los Angeles.
Green belt is the most wonderful blessing. IMHO it should not be
messed with in any way.

I like the green belt too - one of the reasons I chose to live in
Croydon was because I like having countryside nearby. However, I think I
like *more* the idea of people being able to afford to live in homes
that aren't just little flats crammed into any available space. I can
always travel a few minutes more to get to the countryside.

Your point is well taken. However, IMHO, there are better solutions
than destroying precious greenbelt. For many youngsters, singles
adults and empty nesters what is needed is a home not a house and
garden. There is ample opportunity to build TODs around key transit
nodes in London.

When Camden Town station is redeveloped to allow the Northern Line
split I would love to see it and the immediate surrounding streets
developed into a TOD.

And no, "move to Derby" (or wherever) isn't really a solution to the
problem. We already know that the demand is for homes in the south east.

Absolutely correct. There is a need for single family homes however.
And, these could be provided with a new generation of new towns. How
about "Didcot Garden City", "Calvert Garden City", "Sandy
(Bedfordshire) Garden City", etc., etc.?

On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:52:05 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\09\19 12:15, tim..... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:04:54 -0500
wrote:
In article , y () wrote:

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:51:31 -0500
wrote:

No doubt you think Boris is an American then.

Are you asking me about the nationality of Mr Kemal?

Who?

Oh dear, can't use google?

The first page of which gives me a choice of 5 Mr Kemals (the most
prominent of which is fictional).

No doubt there are 100s more in the following pages

How on earth is one supposed to know to which Mr Kemal it is that you
refer?

Boris's name would be Kemal if Osman Kemal had not changed his name to
Wilfred Johnson during the First World War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal

So there is a village somewhere in Turkey that is missing its idiot.
We have him in that ugly building in Southwark (Surrey).

I think is probably is best to conclude this discussion as you seem
capable only of obfuscation.

On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:15:22 +0100
"tim....." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:04:54 -0500
wrote:
In article , y () wrote:

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:51:31 -0500
wrote:

No doubt you think Boris is an American then.

Are you asking me about the nationality of Mr Kemal?

Who?

Oh dear, can't use google?

The first page of which gives me a choice of 5 Mr Kemals (the most prominent
of which is fictional).

Anyone told you that when you're trying to be clever - its helps if you're
actually clever to start with.

--
Spud

On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:37:28 +0100
e27002 aurora wrote:
So there is a village somewhere in Turkey that is missing its idiot.

Or a bedsit in Green Lanes.

--
Spud

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 15:20:39 +0100, e27002 aurora
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:41:38 GMT, d wrote:

On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:46:46 +0100
"tim....." wrote:
"Robin9" wrote in message
killed off building societies who dominated the mortgage market. I feel
sorry
for today's young people, most of whom have given up dreaming of their
own
home.

What utter nonsense

whatever Thatcher do, or did not do wrong, creating a housing shortage was
not one of them,

That came much later (mostly on the watch of Mt T Blair)

Letting in 8 million immigrants , most of them on Labours watch, might
have something to do with the housing shortage and NHS queues. Though no
doubt the left will continue to put their fingers in their ears and sing
La La La whenever this is mentioned, inbetween calling the person who said
it a Waaaacist! naturally.

A reasonable interchange of educated, professional, cultured people is
a very good thing. It brings fresh ideas and energy and helps
international goodwill. Unfortunately the UK has become the dumping
ground for every one else's trash.

Our educted minds leave. Then we pay our unskilled to stay home while
eastern Europe's bottom feeders do their jobs.