On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:00:16 +0000
Jim Chisholm wrote:
On 15/02/2016 12:06, d wrote:
I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it wasn't
being
taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its slow service and poor
timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

--
Spud

Is the whole ELL being closed or is it just THAT station (Whitechapel)
that is being closed?

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

--
Spud

On 15/02/2016 14:55, d wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:00:16 +0000
Jim Chisholm wrote:
On 15/02/2016 12:06, d wrote:
I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it wasn't
being
taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its slow service and poor
timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

--
Spud

Is the whole ELL being closed or is it just THAT station (Whitechapel)
that is being closed?

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

--
Spud


And what use would a Dalston Junction to Shoreditch High Street service
really be? Or are you just thinking of a shorter rail reaplcement service?

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:11:26 +0000
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 15/02/2016 14:55, d wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:00:16 +0000
Jim Chisholm wrote:
On 15/02/2016 12:06, d wrote:
I see the ELL is closed it for 9 days. I had my suspicions that it wasn't
being
taken seriously as a transport link by TfL given its slow service and poor
timetable, and this rather proves it. Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

--
Spud

Is the whole ELL being closed or is it just THAT station (Whitechapel)
that is being closed?

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

--
Spud


And what use would a Dalston Junction to Shoreditch High Street service
really be? Or are you just thinking of a shorter rail reaplcement service?

When I used the line a boatload of people used to go from highbury to Hoxton or
shoreditch high street. The latter presumably as an alternative to going
around the houses on the met to liverpool street since its only a 5 min
walk from the latter.

--
Spud

On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for 3 weeks last summer.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot. Where would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers book on? (And where would they park their cars!)

On 15/02/2016 15:51, Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for 3 weeks last summer.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot. Where would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers book on? (And where would they park their cars!)

Where does the NLL get its trains from? Surely for 9 days they could
rotate some of the sets in and out and guard them in stations overnight
or whatever?

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:51:10 -0800 (PST)
Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for 3
weeks last summer.

Ok, major incident or major track repairs. And each of the affected stations
had an NR alternative. The closure of the ELL is nothing to do with the ELL
itself. Even a shuttle train would be better than nothing. But I guess its
easier to close the whole thing and sod the travelling public.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot. Where
would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers book on? (And
where would they park their cars!)

Use the NLL depots obviously.

--
Spud

On 2016\02\15 16:30, d wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:51:10 -0800 (PST)
Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a major
incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for 3
weeks last summer.

Ok, major incident or major track repairs. And each of the affected stations
had an NR alternative. The closure of the ELL is nothing to do with the ELL
itself. Even a shuttle train would be better than nothing. But I guess its
easier to close the whole thing and sod the travelling public.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were apparently
too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch High Street when
the line was built and the route of crossrail was already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot. Where
would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers book on? (And
where would they park their cars!)

Use the NLL depots obviously.

Loads of space in them, is there? (I don't know if there is.)

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2016\02\15 16:30, d wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:51:10 -0800 (PST)
Mark wrote:
On Monday, 15 February 2016 14:55:06 UTC, wrote:
Can you imagine any tube line being
closed for that many consecutive days now unless there had been a
major incident?

Yes, the Victoria line was closed from Seven Sisters to Walthamstow for
3 weeks last summer.

Ok, major incident or major track repairs. And each of the affected
stations had an NR alternative. The closure of the ELL is nothing to do
with the ELL itself. Even a shuttle train would be better than nothing.
But I guess its easier to close the whole thing and sod the travelling
public.

Closed all the way from Highbury down to Shadwell. Since TfL were
apparently too shortsighted to specify reversing points at Shortditch
High Street when the line was built and the route of crossrail was
already known.

9 days seems a long time for trains to be cut off from their depot.
Where would they be stabled and cleaned, and where would the drivers
book on? (And where would they park their cars!)

Use the NLL depots obviously.

Loads of space in them, is there? (I don't know if there is.)

They may now be regretting that the link to the NLL at Highbury & Islington
has never been commissioned because of the complications of the two
electrification systems. But available it is not so there is no way to run a
shuttle, even if Shoreditch High Street had a handy crossover.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:25:52 -0600
wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:
Loads of space in them, is there? (I don't know if there is.)

They may now be regretting that the link to the NLL at Highbury & Islington
has never been commissioned because of the complications of the two
electrification systems. But available it is not so there is no way to run a
shuttle, even if Shoreditch High Street had a handy crossover.

What complications? The NLL itself switches between overhead and 3rd rail.
That aside, they could store a couple of units overnight at Dalston Junction
for the 9 days and hire a security guard. But obviously thats not going to
happen with TfLs Can't-Do culture.

--
Spud

In article , d () wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:25:52 -0600
wrote:
In article , (Basil
Jet) wrote:
Loads of space in them, is there? (I don't know if there is.)

They may now be regretting that the link to the NLL at Highbury &
Islington has never been commissioned because of the complications of the
two electrification systems. But available it is not so there is no way
to run a shuttle, even if Shoreditch High Street had a handy crossover.

What complications? The NLL itself switches between overhead and 3rd rail.
That aside, they could store a couple of units overnight at Dalston
Junction for the 9 days and hire a security guard. But obviously
thats not going to
happen with TfLs Can't-Do culture.

Signalling immunisation hasn't been implemented, apparently.

--
Colin Rosenstiel