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In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:27:14 on Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Recliner
remarked:
The London mayor aims to deliver better, more coordinated local
services to local voters.

In the same way he aimed not to raise fares, and within days of taking
office had to retract?

He's delivering exactly what he said he would: a TfL fares freeze. He never
promised to freeze other fares, and has no ability to do so.

Actually he did, and I agree he doesn't.
--
Roland Perry

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On 23/09/2016 17:22, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 15:27:14 on Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Recliner
remarked:
The London mayor aims to deliver better, more coordinated local
services to local voters.

In the same way he aimed not to raise fares, and within days of taking
office had to retract?

He's delivering exactly what he said he would: a TfL fares freeze. He
never promised to freeze other fares, and has no ability to do so.

Actually he did, and I agree he doesn't.

He didn't promise any more than that, and didn't "retract" anything.

From his manifesto...

"Freeze TfL transport fares for four years [...]"
(page 8, PDF page 9)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/SadiqManifesto2016

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On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

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On 23/09/2016 18:08, Mizter T wrote:

On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you
have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm
aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

Given the situation at Southern/GTR is a fight between a reactionary
union and a reactionary DfT I can't see TfL wanting to touch it with a
proverbial barge pole.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On 23/09/2016 18:24, Graeme Wall wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

Given the situation at Southern/GTR is a fight between a reactionary
union and a reactionary DfT I can't see TfL wanting to touch it with a
proverbial barge pole.

Quite! It's toxic, stay well away!

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"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you
have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm
aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?

It was political pestering

I'd give you a million to one that the mayor's idea of "sorting it out" is
giving into union demand immediately - he is a socialist (fsvo) after all.

tim

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tim... wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On 23/09/2016 15:45, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Not that I'm aware of, and not according to the news report. Do you
have a
link?

No, I thought that I read it on this group. IIRC, it was more of a
long-term plan, rather than anything around the corner.

It's certainly not a plan, and not even an aspiration as far as I'm
aware.
The aim is to take over suburban stopping services that run entirely or
mainly in the GLA. The London mayor aims to deliver better, more
coordinated local services to local voters.


Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?

It was political pestering

I'd give you a million to one that the mayor's idea of "sorting it out" is
giving into union demand immediately - he is a socialist (fsvo) after all.

Yes, the mayor did generously offer to sort out GTR for the DfT, but I
think his 'solution' would be just as you say.

However, it has to be said that TfL did get rid of the guards on all LO
routes, and is currently eliminating the 300 platform attendants from Boris
buses, in both cases without strikes.

http://www.barking-gospeloak.org.uk/...s_bulletin.pdf

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...and-old-guard/

http://www.railwaystrategies.co.uk/a...71&issueid=530

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36764417

I thought it was telling that a Labour mayor is getting rid of 300 jobs on
the buses with no industrial protests, while the unions are indulging in
incessant strikes and sickies on Southern that simply wants to change the
role of train guards, with no loss of jobs or conditions.

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On 22-Sep-16 4:27 PM, tim... wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into
the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...very-different

6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south london
lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them an
easy time
because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has obviously been
living in a
cave for the last 20 years.

--
Spud


The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just
outside) of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes
which carry main line services to the coast

tim






So they are going to increase the frequency of the Epsom, Kingston,
Chhessington & Hampton Court lines.

Where are the extra paths going to come from through Wimbledon?

---
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In article , (Tony
Dragon) wrote:

On 22-Sep-16 4:27 PM, tim... wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 15:29:59 +0100
" wrote:
On 21.09.16 21:31, Recliner wrote:
TfL's grand vision for turning London's suburban overground services
into the Overground:


http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/21/london...k-very-differe
nt-6143328/

I got an idea. Let's just turn the entire network, from Penzance to
Wick, orange.

Indeed. Its really not very well thought out if this is an official TfL
mock up. And what the obsession with TfL taking over all the south
london lines is god knows. Anyone who thinks the unions will give them
an easy time because they're a public corp rather than a TOC has
obviously been living in a cave for the last 20 years.

The seem to think that they can magic up slots to provide a 10 minute
frequency on every route

whilst this might work on the routes that terminate inside (or just
outside) of the London "Zone", this is not going to work for the routes
which carry main line services to the coast

So they are going to increase the frequency of the Epsom, Kingston,
Chhessington & Hampton Court lines.

Where are the extra paths going to come from through Wimbledon?

Crossrail 2 will divert a lot of such traffic into a new tunnel.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:26:07 +0100, Mizter T
wrote:


On 23/09/2016 18:24, Graeme Wall wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Is there not a plan, however, for the TfL Empire to take over the
Thameslink lime out to Brighton?

Was there not someone suggesting that TfL management could be drafted in
to try and sort out the slow-motion train wreck that is Southern/GTR?
Not something that has ever been Mayoral / TfL policy. Nor something I'd
imagine anyone in TfL would actually want to do.

ISTR something about MK-West Croydon being in the firing line for a
TfL takeover. The anomolous bit for that would be WFJ-MK. OTOH some SN
short services from Shepherds Bush to Clapham Junction have already
effectively been taken over by LO during the dispute :-
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/trai...09/23/advanced
appearing to be the partial substitute for :-
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/trai...09/23/advanced

Given the situation at Southern/GTR is a fight between a reactionary
union and a reactionary DfT I can't see TfL wanting to touch it with a
proverbial barge pole.

Quite! It's toxic, stay well away!