In message , at
17:52:09 on Fri, 2 Dec 2016, Robin remarked:

ISTM pretty normal for a commercial vehicle which carries a load of diesel.

And it's not all that rare for buses to burn. Eg

26/11 in Motherwell http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-
west-38119498

17/11 in Gloucester http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate
r-manchester-news/bus-fire-piccadilly-station-manchester-12217673


My impression is that they and the similar lorry fires don't get that
much coverage because in the vast majority of cases no one is seriously
injured.

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

http://www.essexlive.news/m11-closed...airport/story-
29260090-detail/story.html
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On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

Neil
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On 04/12/2016 17:22, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently).

Which incident was that?

On 2016-12-04 17:31:13 +0000, said:

Which incident was that?

There was a fire in an overhead air conditioning unit in a Southern
Electrostar which caused a bit of disruption and did a nice job of
melting the ceiling panels and turning everything black.

Neil
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On 04/12/2016 19:15, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2016-12-04 17:31:13 +0000, said:

Which incident was that?

There was a fire in an overhead air conditioning unit in a Southern
Electrostar which caused a bit of disruption and did a nice job of
melting the ceiling panels and turning everything black.

Neil
When was that?

On 2016-12-04 19:40:45 +0000, said:

When was that?

About a week ago.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/business...form-1-7701719


Neil
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Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

On Sun, 04 Dec 2016 17:37:52 +0000, Graham Murray
wrote:

Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

I think hydrogen-fuelled vehicles are much safer, as the gas escapes
before it can burn. The tanks also have to be very strong simply to
contain the high pressures.

On 2016\12\05 13:35, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 04 Dec 2016 17:37:52 +0000, Graham Murray
wrote:

Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

I think hydrogen-fuelled vehicles are much safer, as the gas escapes
before it can burn.

Oh the humanity!

In uk.transport.london message , Sun, 4
Dec 2016 17:37:52, Graham Murray posted:

Neil Williams writes:

On 2016-12-03 10:02:36 +0000, Roland Perry said:

This truck I really did see bursting into flames - I was driving on the
opposite carriageway at the moment the black smoke turned to flames:

I wonder what effect electric vehicles will have on the numbers
killed/injured or road disruption caused by vehicle fires, given that
fires in EMUs are very rare (notwithstanding that one, the only one I
ever heard of, occurred very recently). If you don't have a tank of
highly volatile fuel there to burn, the chance of fire is much lower.

What about hydrogen buses, such as the RV1? Hopefully there are very
strong precautions against the fuel catching fire or exploding even in
the case of a serious collision etc.

Hydrogen can only explode chemically if it is mixed with oxidiser before
ignition. Gaseous hydrogen is very much less dense than air, so will
rapidly depart the scene upwards - in which respect it is better than
ordinary liquid fuels. But, unlike the case for hydrocarbons, a
hydrogen flame is not easily visible.

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