On Monday, 17 July 2017 17:11:49 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

A policy that is flouted on a daily basis across all modes. I have never seen anyone even attempt to enforce the rule. A ridiculous tokenistic "oh look I've done something" policy from the early days of Bozza's tenure at City Hall.

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Paul C
via Google

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Monday, 17 July 2017 17:11:49 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

A policy that is flouted on a daily basis across all modes. I have never
seen anyone even attempt to enforce the rule. A ridiculous tokenistic "oh
look I've done something" policy from the early days of Bozza's tenure at City Hall.

I've not seen anyone enforce it, but I've also never seen anyone flout it,
either — a real surprise. Perhaps I don't travel in the right areas and
times?

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:58:12 +0100, BirchangerKen
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:42:06 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:



"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
-sept
ember.org, at 16:07:51 on Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Recliner
remarked:

In other news, took my first ride on a TfL Rail train into Liverpool St,
and was dismayed by a "no alcohol" policy. And there weren't even any
football supporters on the train. Welcome to 1920's USA.

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

Not something which makes any sense out in the wilds of Essex in the
daytime.

why not?

the mess caused by people discarding drinking containers has to be cleared
up wherever you are

I can only imagine you'd been drinking when you posted this.

There's no prohibition on food being consumed on TfL. McDonalds and
KFC detritus is far more of a problem that any alcohol containers in
any train I've ever been on. There are plenty of discarded cans, but
they almost always contained soft drinks, not a fine sustaining
beverage. There are also plenty of abandoned coffee cups.

But I repeat what I've said in in this thread and elsewhere. Punish,
and prohibit, behaviour where needed. Acting antisocially - and
that includes leaving litter - should be dealt with. Minding your own
business doing something that in a small minority of cases could lead
to antisocial behaviour should never be proscribed in a free society.


Define "anti-social'" behaviour.

What was considered such prior the 40's/50's/60's, ain't what it is
now.

To me, using the f-word in public earshot is totally unacceptable, but
try and enforce that 'quaint' idea.

On Tuesday, 18 July 2017 23:36:16 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Monday, 17 July 2017 17:11:49 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

A policy that is flouted on a daily basis across all modes. I have never
seen anyone even attempt to enforce the rule. A ridiculous tokenistic "oh
look I've done something" policy from the early days of Bozza's tenure at City Hall.

I've not seen anyone enforce it, but I've also never seen anyone flout it,
either — a real surprise. Perhaps I don't travel in the right areas and
times?

I'm with Recliner. In the last few years I haven't seen anyone drinking on public transport. I have seen people drinking energy drinks, and these sometimes come in lager-looking tins.

I have seen people vaping on half-empty carriages, but that doesn't bother me.

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 22:32:18 on Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Recliner
remarked:

All TfL trains and buses have had no a no-alcohol policy for almost a
decade.

A policy that is flouted on a daily basis across all modes. I have never
seen anyone even attempt to enforce the rule. A ridiculous tokenistic "oh
look I've done something" policy from the early days of Bozza's tenure at City Hall.

I've not seen anyone enforce it, but I've also never seen anyone flout it,
either — a real surprise. Perhaps I don't travel in the right areas and
times?

I remember, back in the day, seeing highly inebriated and obstreperous
"street people" late at night hanging around on the Kings Cross Circle
Line platforms with cans of drink.
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Roland Perry

In message , at
22:32:21 on Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Offramp remarked:

In the last few years I haven't seen anyone drinking on public transport.

Wow. Go look at the inside of an east coast train that's just arrived
from Scotland, ignoring the free drinks in First Class, you may well
hardly be able to see some of the tables in Standard for the empty
tinnies.
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Roland Perry

On Wednesday, 19 July 2017 09:03:46 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:

I remember, back in the day

Okay, so this was in the daytime.

seeing highly inebriated and obstreperous
"street people" late at night

I give up!

Roland Perry

On 18/07/2017 00:56, wrote:
In article , (Jim
Chisholm) wrote:

On 17/07/2017 16:38, Roland Perry wrote:

And despite widespread 20mph limits, I didn't get the impression buses
thought they had to comply.
All NEW London buses should be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance
see: http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/4971.html.
(26 April 2016)

I think Leyton is a bit suburban to have got new buses yet, Jim.

Also note this report:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3589666.html

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:08:45 +0100, Jim Chisholm
wrote:

On 18/07/2017 00:56, wrote:
In article , (Jim
Chisholm) wrote:

On 17/07/2017 16:38, Roland Perry wrote:

And despite widespread 20mph limits, I didn't get the impression buses
thought they had to comply.
All NEW London buses should be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance
see: http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/4971.html.
(26 April 2016)

I think Leyton is a bit suburban to have got new buses yet, Jim.

Also note this report:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3589666.html

Roughly one death per month with over 40 000 000 km driven and 200 000
000 passengers. How does that compare with other modes? Other
operators?

In article ,
(BirchangerKen) wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:08:45 +0100, Jim Chisholm
wrote:

On 18/07/2017 00:56, wrote:
In article ,
(Jim Chisholm) wrote:

On 17/07/2017 16:38, Roland Perry wrote:

And despite widespread 20mph limits, I didn't get the impression
buses thought they had to comply.
All NEW London buses should be fitted with Intelligent Speed
Assistance see: http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/4971.html.
(26 April 2016)

I think Leyton is a bit suburban to have got new buses yet, Jim.

Also note this report:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...s-needed-urgen
tly-after-25-london-deaths-in-two-years-transport-report-says-a3589666.html

Roughly one death per month with over 40 000 000 km driven and 200 000
000 passengers. How does that compare with other modes? Other
operators?

Heavy Commercial Vehicles, for example?

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Colin Rosenstiel