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In message , at 17:16:11 on Wed, 11 Sep
2019, tim... remarked:

County Councils provide the street lighting.

not where I live they don't :-)

Unitary Authority?

or London Borough, City of London or Westminster,

If those are equivalent in the distribution of civic responsibilities
to a unitary authority, then they come into the same basket.

weird isn't it

London Boroughs are technically different to Unitaries but actually
identical

I suppose more things have been given to the Mayor to look after, but I
don't think that was the case when they were first set up

I remember the LCC (London County Council) which was a precursor to the
GLA. Perhaps they did education - like other real counties, whereas now
the Boroughs do?
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On 11/09/2019 17:16, tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at
14:11:32 on Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Robin remarked:
On 11/09/2019 13:51, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:22:29 on Wed, 11 Sep
2019, tim... remarked:

There are lots of people who can't easily have an electric
car, they
include my parents who live in a street of Victorian terraces
with
narrow pavement. However I think more than half the population
could
charge at home.

So what do the other half do..?

Something else. There doesn't need to be one solution for everyone.

but the solution isn't in the hands of individual - I can't just
decide to have a charge point connected to the local street lamppost

No-one can because the street lights are on circuits not much
bigger thanÂ* a 13A ring main, Separate from the supply to
premises. Unless the premisesÂ* supply is on overhead wires
(typically rural areas), when there's a wholeÂ* other set of
constraints in the overall amperage.

HMG has to facilitate it (even if they don't directly provide it)

County Councils provide the street lighting.

not where I live they don't :-)

Â*Unitary Authority?

or London Borough, City of London or Westminster,

If those are equivalent in the distribution of civic responsibilities
to a unitary authority, then they come into the same basket.

weird isn't it

London Boroughs are technically different to Unitaries but actually
identical

yes - and um, well, it all depends ;)

the problem is that "unitary authority" doesn't have a single, canonical
meaning[1]



I suppose more things have been given to the Mayor to look after, but I
don't think that was the case when they were first set up


IIRC there were some pan-London bodies from the outset , but yes it was
the creation of the GLA that took away strategic functions like planning
and transport.

[1] Hence eg the Crossrail Act needed to define

“unitary authority� means—
(a) the council of any county so far as it is the council for an area
for which there are no district councils;
(b) the council of any district comprised in an area for which there is
no county council;
(c) the council of a London borough;
(d) the Common Council of the City of London.



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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:16:11 on Wed, 11 Sep 2019,
tim... remarked:

County Councils provide the street lighting.

not where I live they don't :-)

Unitary Authority?

or London Borough, City of London or Westminster,

If those are equivalent in the distribution of civic responsibilities to
a unitary authority, then they come into the same basket.

weird isn't it

London Boroughs are technically different to Unitaries but actually
identical

I suppose more things have been given to the Mayor to look after, but I
don't think that was the case when they were first set up

I remember the LCC (London County Council)

how far back are you going?

I lived there through my childhood and it predates my remembering

The (current) boroughs were created in 1965 (I can't remember that either)
and at (more or less) the same date the GLC was created.

Inner London borough education was under the auspices of ILEA, outer
boroughs certainly had control of education in 71 when I got ****ed by the
system.

GLC was abolished in 86 when (presumably) the functions (except inner London
education and transport) moved down to the boroughs. Bus/underground must
have remained being controlled by a now autonomous London Transport
(certainly the daily bus pass worked within the whole "GLC" area). I don't
think that there was a strategy London Roads Authority (perhaps it was still
DpT responsibility).

ILEA was abolished in 1990 when inner boroughs took over in their area.

The London assembly and (new) Mayor were created in 2000 when strategic
items all moved back again Education remaining with the boroughs.

So (apart from busses/underground) London Boroughs looked like any other
Unitary Authority from 1986 to 2000.

HTH

tim












which was a precursor to the
GLA. Perhaps they did education - like other real counties, whereas now
the Boroughs do?
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:16:11 on Wed, 11 Sep
2019, tim... remarked:

County Councils provide the street lighting.

not where I live they don't :-)

Unitary Authority?

or London Borough, City of London or Westminster,

If those are equivalent in the distribution of civic responsibilities
to a unitary authority, then they come into the same basket.

weird isn't it

London Boroughs are technically different to Unitaries but actually
identical

I suppose more things have been given to the Mayor to look after, but I
don't think that was the case when they were first set up

I remember the LCC (London County Council) which was a precursor to the
GLA. Perhaps they did education -

Well the white china plates at my first primary school in Chiswick had
LCC marked on the underside if that is any indication.
Was a while back mind, they marched us over the park to the edge of the
Great West Road to watch President Eisenhower pass by .


GH

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In message , at 19:13:28 on Wed, 11 Sep
2019, tim... remarked:

I remember the LCC (London County Council)

how far back are you going?

I was born in London, and went to Primary School there. Left in the
early 60's.
--
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:41:59 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:06:22 on Wed,
This is nothing to do with electric cars as such - these houses are not
designed for cars at all (even if they claim otherwise).

The claim we need to be interested in is that 40% of houses have
garages, and are therefore suitable for hosting chargers and electric
cars. The 40% figure ignores the fact that $foo% of those "garages" are
entirely unsuitable for that task.

My claim was about half of homes could have an electric charger based
on 40% having a garage and 26% having other off street parking. 3 million
of those homes might be unsuitable for installing an electric charger
and we still get to my about half.

I've been unable to find better figures, perhaps someone else can?

More of the 'you can't stick anything on the front of your house and the
door has to be grey' kind of covenants.

I've seen door colour restrictions in conservation areas, but nothing as
generic as "anything on front".

I lived in a 2001 build house which didn't allow a change in front door
colour. Street View shows my old door has been replaced and is now a
different colour but the developer has long gone so I expect the covenant
isn't enforceable.

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In message , at 10:58:27 on
Thu, 12 Sep 2019, David Walters remarked:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:41:59 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:06:22 on Wed,
This is nothing to do with electric cars as such - these houses are not
designed for cars at all (even if they claim otherwise).

The claim we need to be interested in is that 40% of houses have
garages, and are therefore suitable for hosting chargers and electric
cars. The 40% figure ignores the fact that $foo% of those "garages" are
entirely unsuitable for that task.

My claim was about half of homes could have an electric charger based
on 40% having a garage and 26% having other off street parking. 3 million
of those homes might be unsuitable for installing an electric charger
and we still get to my about half.

I've been unable to find better figures, perhaps someone else can?

I think there are unlikely to be any official figures, because they
won't be compiling stats for whether the garages are integral/attached
to the house (and therefore potentially suitable), too narrow (and
therefore unsuitable again), or disjoint from the house (in a block, at
the end of the garden etc) and again unsuitable.

[I'm ignoring the garages that would be suitable, if they weren't full
of junk and households where the number of cars exceeds the garages].

The same (apart from the width and the junk) is also true of off-street
parking.

More of the 'you can't stick anything on the front of your house and the
door has to be grey' kind of covenants.

I've seen door colour restrictions in conservation areas, but nothing as
generic as "anything on front".

I lived in a 2001 build house which didn't allow a change in front door
colour.

Was it in a conservation area, or on a development with private roads
and a management company?

Street View shows my old door has been replaced and is now a different
colour but the developer has long gone so I expect the covenant isn't
enforceable.

What about covenants for "things on the front", other than satellite
dishes?
--
Roland Perry

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On 12/09/2019 14:16, Roland Perry wrote:

What about covenants for "things on the front", other than satellite
dishes?

When my family and I moved into a new house in the Midlands in 1972
there was a covenant you couldn't install a TV aerial on the front of
the house. Plenty of satellite dishes there now, though, looking on
street view.

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In message , at 17:31:29 on Thu, 12
Sep 2019, MissRiaElaine remarked:

What about covenants for "things on the front", other than satellite
dishes?

When my family and I moved into a new house in the Midlands in 1972
there was a covenant you couldn't install a TV aerial on the front of
the house. Plenty of satellite dishes there now, though, looking on
street view.

My last house had a covenant of "no aerials attached to the chimney" but
luckily the height and orientation meant it was OK to stick one in the
loft.

TV aerials on the front of houses aren't that common, but I thought I'd
cite some anyway: https://goo.gl/maps/VF4bAofQzBGnh9rZ6
--
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:16:50 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:58:27 on
Thu, 12 Sep 2019, David Walters remarked:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:41:59 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:06:22 on Wed,
More of the 'you can't stick anything on the front of your house and the
door has to be grey' kind of covenants.

I've seen door colour restrictions in conservation areas, but nothing as
generic as "anything on front".

I lived in a 2001 build house which didn't allow a change in front door
colour.

Was it in a conservation area,

No.

or on a development with private roads
and a management company?

No.

Street View shows my old door has been replaced and is now a different
colour but the developer has long gone so I expect the covenant isn't
enforceable.

What about covenants for "things on the front", other than satellite
dishes?

Sort of, caravans were banned for example.

It was one house of four. The developer didn't want someone to do
something ugly until they were all sold. After that they weren't very
interested.

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In message , at 11:16:00 on
Mon, 16 Sep 2019, David Walters remarked:

Street View shows my old door has been replaced and is now a different
colour but the developer has long gone so I expect the covenant isn't
enforceable.

What about covenants for "things on the front", other than satellite
dishes?

Sort of, caravans were banned for example.

Apologies for leaving out the word "attached". Although I once had a
near neighbour who attached his caravan parked in the front garden to
his house with an extension lead.

It was one house of four. The developer didn't want someone to do
something ugly until they were all sold. After that they weren't very
interested.

That is indeed the usual business model. Parking vans much bigger than a
Morris Minor can turn out to be banned too.
--
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Is this thread title a pun on the record label "Electric Shapes"?


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In message , at 09:32:13 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Roland Perry remarked:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...221daed84a5f55
3
e362f97fc7a5a7

so the reasons seem to be:

because he got government grant of 3,500 - for a near 50 grand car
(after options) is that really a deal maker?

So he can save on the ultra-low emission zone fee, - surely your
average second hand petrol model achieves that

not very compelling, is it?

The various greenwash suspicions are interestingly at odds with a much
earlier decision not to buy Priuses(sp) as ministerial cars, because
their overall footprint wasn't regarded as sufficiently compelling.

especially as he admits himself that there are not enough public
charge points - there's not a single one within parking distance of my
house

The nearest two Tesla chargers to my house are both 15 minutes drive,
and at hotel/B&B type locations. Are those truly "public"?

I'm surprised to see there's a "Pod point" [whatever that is] charger
at the Sainsbury's, because I've never noticed it. I'll go take a
proper look tomorrow.

Eventually; and the electric supply has been there a while, no evidence
of having been retro-plumbed-in after the shop was first opened seven
years ago. But don't know when it was provisioned with a charger.

2x7kW, and a second but unprovisioned pair of parking bays alongside.

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/sainsburys_charger.jpg

A Renault Zoe plugged in, 7kW is an eight-hour charge, apparently. I'm
not sure I can drag out my shopping there much beyond half an hour.
--
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:32:13 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,
Roland Perry remarked:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...221daed84a5f55
3
e362f97fc7a5a7

so the reasons seem to be:

because he got government grant of 3,500 - for a near 50 grand car
(after options) is that really a deal maker?

So he can save on the ultra-low emission zone fee, - surely your
average second hand petrol model achieves that

not very compelling, is it?

The various greenwash suspicions are interestingly at odds with a much
earlier decision not to buy Priuses(sp) as ministerial cars, because
their overall footprint wasn't regarded as sufficiently compelling.

especially as he admits himself that there are not enough public
charge points - there's not a single one within parking distance of my
house

The nearest two Tesla chargers to my house are both 15 minutes drive,
and at hotel/B&B type locations. Are those truly "public"?

I'm surprised to see there's a "Pod point" [whatever that is] charger
at the Sainsbury's, because I've never noticed it. I'll go take a
proper look tomorrow.

Eventually; and the electric supply has been there a while, no evidence
of having been retro-plumbed-in after the shop was first opened seven
years ago. But don't know when it was provisioned with a charger.

2x7kW, and a second but unprovisioned pair of parking bays alongside.

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/sainsburys_charger.jpg

A Renault Zoe plugged in, 7kW is an eight-hour charge, apparently. I'm
not sure I can drag out my shopping there much beyond half an hour.

Last week I noticed another electric vehicle in use, this time unmanned. It
was at Heathrow, and I glanced out of the window as our departing A321
completed its push back. I expected to see the usual big diesel tug being
driven away enveloped in blue exhaust fumes, but instead saw a cute little
yellow robot toddling back to the stand, obediently accompanying its
master. It turns out that BA has now equipped all its gates at T5A with
these Mototok robotugs, but I'd not noticed them befo

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/News-1/11451?ref=HeroStory

https://youtu.be/oIC3jw4Giic

So it means that most flights from T5A now start out electrically powered!

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On 16/09/2019 21:35, Recliner wrote:

Last week I noticed another electric vehicle in use, this time unmanned. It
was at Heathrow, and I glanced out of the window as our departing A321
completed its push back. I expected to see the usual big diesel tug being
driven away enveloped in blue exhaust fumes, but instead saw a cute little
yellow robot toddling back to the stand, obediently accompanying its
master. It turns out that BA has now equipped all its gates at T5A with
these Mototok robotugs, but I'd not noticed them befo

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/News-1/11451?ref=HeroStory

https://youtu.be/oIC3jw4Giic

So it means that most flights from T5A now start out electrically powered!

Interesting, I flew from T5 to Aberdeen in July, but I confess I wasn't
watching to see what they were using.



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On 16/09/2019 21:35, Recliner wrote:

Last week I noticed another electric vehicle in use, this time unmanned. It
was at Heathrow, and I glanced out of the window as our departing A321
completed its push back. I expected to see the usual big diesel tug being
driven away enveloped in blue exhaust fumes, but instead saw a cute little
yellow robot toddling back to the stand, obediently accompanying its
master. It turns out that BA has now equipped all its gates at T5A with
these Mototok robotugs, but I'd not noticed them befo

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/News-1/11451?ref=HeroStory

https://youtu.be/oIC3jw4Giic

So it means that most flights from T5A now start out electrically powered!


It doesn't look like a robot, it looks radio-controlled by adjacent bod.


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Spaceways - 1996 - Trad

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:32:13 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,

I'm surprised to see there's a "Pod point" [whatever that is] charger
at the Sainsbury's, because I've never noticed it. I'll go take a
proper look tomorrow.

Eventually; and the electric supply has been there a while, no evidence
of having been retro-plumbed-in after the shop was first opened seven
years ago. But don't know when it was provisioned with a charger.

2x7kW, and a second but unprovisioned pair of parking bays alongside.

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/sainsburys_charger.jpg

A Renault Zoe plugged in, 7kW is an eight-hour charge, apparently. I'm
not sure I can drag out my shopping there much beyond half an hour.

You haven’t allowed for when the self operated checkouts are broken and the
remaining employee operated one has Mrs Slow working.

GH

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Basil Jet wrote:
On 16/09/2019 21:35, Recliner wrote:

Last week I noticed another electric vehicle in use, this time unmanned. It
was at Heathrow, and I glanced out of the window as our departing A321
completed its push back. I expected to see the usual big diesel tug being
driven away enveloped in blue exhaust fumes, but instead saw a cute little
yellow robot toddling back to the stand, obediently accompanying its
master. It turns out that BA has now equipped all its gates at T5A with
these Mototok robotugs, but I'd not noticed them befo

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/News-1/11451?ref=HeroStory

https://youtu.be/oIC3jw4Giic

So it means that most flights from T5A now start out electrically powered!


It doesn't look like a robot, it looks radio-controlled by adjacent bod.

It's radio-controlled, but many of its functions are automated.

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In message , at 23:31:11 on Mon, 16
Sep 2019, Marland remarked:
I'm surprised to see there's a "Pod point" [whatever that is] charger
at the Sainsbury's, because I've never noticed it. I'll go take a
proper look tomorrow.

Eventually; and the electric supply has been there a while, no evidence
of having been retro-plumbed-in after the shop was first opened seven
years ago. But don't know when it was provisioned with a charger.

2x7kW, and a second but unprovisioned pair of parking bays alongside.

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/sainsburys_charger.jpg

A Renault Zoe plugged in, 7kW is an eight-hour charge, apparently. I'm
not sure I can drag out my shopping there much beyond half an hour.

You haven’t allowed for when the self operated checkouts are broken and the
remaining employee operated one has Mrs Slow working.

Mot of the times I'm there the staff outnumber the customers. That's
because it appeals to a demographic which shops mainly at the weekend,
which I avoid doing. It's also a relatively small example - about ten
tills, of which rarely more than three need to be manned - so it doesn't
take long to get round.
--
Roland Perry

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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 16/09/2019 21:35, Recliner wrote:

Last week I noticed another electric vehicle in use, this time unmanned. It
was at Heathrow, and I glanced out of the window as our departing A321
completed its push back. I expected to see the usual big diesel tug being
driven away enveloped in blue exhaust fumes, but instead saw a cute little
yellow robot toddling back to the stand, obediently accompanying its
master. It turns out that BA has now equipped all its gates at T5A with
these Mototok robotugs, but I'd not noticed them befo

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/News-1/11451?ref=HeroStory

https://youtu.be/oIC3jw4Giic

So it means that most flights from T5A now start out electrically powered!

Interesting, I flew from T5 to Aberdeen in July, but I confess I wasn't
watching to see what they were using.

Yes, they're low profile and easily missed if you're not looking for them.

Electric Shapps
 

On 17/09/2019 00:31, Marland wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:32:13 on Sun, 8 Sep 2019,

I'm surprised to see there's a "Pod point" [whatever that is] charger
at the Sainsbury's, because I've never noticed it. I'll go take a
proper look tomorrow.

Eventually; and the electric supply has been there a while, no evidence
of having been retro-plumbed-in after the shop was first opened seven
years ago. But don't know when it was provisioned with a charger.

2x7kW, and a second but unprovisioned pair of parking bays alongside.

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/sainsburys_charger.jpg

A Renault Zoe plugged in, 7kW is an eight-hour charge, apparently. I'm
not sure I can drag out my shopping there much beyond half an hour.

You haven’t allowed for when the self operated checkouts are broken and the
remaining employee operated one has Mrs Slow working.

Plus there are a dozen trolleys piled high in front of you, and all you
have is a pint of milk.


--
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