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On 17/06/2020 13:57, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:20:21 +0100, MissRiaElaine
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On 17/06/2020 13:11, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 07:29, tim... wrote:


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good god

I was expecting something functionally superior

Functional..? NONE of the ridiculous things being worn by the public
at large are remotely functional.

You're wrong

some designs do have filtered vents which (attempt) to safely solve the
condensation problem

Whether they actually work, or not

I have no idea

They are medical masks and should be reserved for medical professionals.

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are useless.

On what basis did you reach that conclusion? As long as they're at least
two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.


Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.


False sense of security against what?


Against thinking they're protected when they're not. And that's what the
majority of idiots out there think. And if you can't see that, then
you're one of them. I give up.



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On 17/06/2020 14:36, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:20:21 on Wed, 17
Jun 2020, MissRiaElaine remarked:

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are
useless.

¬*On what basis did you reach that conclusion?¬* As long as they're at
least¬* two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.


Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.


Perhaps the message that they aren't intended to protect the wearer,
hasn't got through?

This is a wonderful commentary on the ability of the general public to
"act like grown-ups" and make sensible decisions based on the perceived
risks, when they fall at the first fence like this.


I am perfectly capable of acting like a grown-up by making my own
decisions and not wearing something I know to be useless. If you think
they work then wear one, but don't come anywhere near me with it on.

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"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 17/06/2020 13:11, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
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but they are meant to stop you contaminating someone else

not the other way round

So how are they going to do that, when you are infected and touch your
mask then touch something else..?


An infected person's hands would be contaminated anyway, so they
certainly
don't make things worse. But they do greatly reduce the distance that
droplets are projected, which is all they're meant to do.


Possibly. But they still lull people into a false sense of security.

I cannot deal with people face to face unless I can *see* their face. And
how is a deaf person supposed to lip-read..?


but you are not speaking to me when I am sitting on the bus, in the seat
behind you



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"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 17/06/2020 13:57, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:19:13 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote:

On 17/06/2020 13:11, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 12:50, tim... wrote:

but they are meant to stop you contaminating someone else

not the other way round

So how are they going to do that, when you are infected and touch your
mask then touch something else..?


An infected person's hands would be contaminated anyway, so they
certainly
don't make things worse. But they do greatly reduce the distance that
droplets are projected, which is all they're meant to do.

Possibly. But they still lull people into a false sense of security.


How do you know? And do you mean the wearers, or others in their
vicinity?


Because that's what placebos do. They make people think they're cured, or
protected or whatever.


Oh, I agree that there are people who will think that wearing a basic mask
protects them

despite being told more than once that it doesn't

how's the staying go:

"you can't fix stupid!"

HTH

tim





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In message , at 13:20:21 on Wed, 17 Jun
2020, MissRiaElaine remarked:

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are
useless.

On what basis did you reach that conclusion? As long as they're at
least two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.


Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.


Perhaps the message that they aren't intended to protect the wearer,
hasn't got through?

This is a wonderful commentary on the ability of the general public to
"act like grown-ups" and make sensible decisions based on the perceived
risks, when they fall at the first fence like this.


+1





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"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
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On 17/06/2020 14:36, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:20:21 on Wed, 17 Jun
2020, MissRiaElaine remarked:

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are
useless.

On what basis did you reach that conclusion? As long as they're at
least two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.

Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.


Perhaps the message that they aren't intended to protect the wearer,
hasn't got through?

This is a wonderful commentary on the ability of the general public to
"act like grown-ups" and make sensible decisions based on the perceived
risks, when they fall at the first fence like this.


I am perfectly capable of acting like a grown-up by making my own
decisions and not wearing something I know to be useless.


but you are wearing it to protect *me*!

(and I am wearing mine to protect you)

It might be completely unnecessary for this mutual protection out in the
street, but on PT it's going to be necessary when we get back to even 50%
loadings

so we are all practicing now







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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:36:03 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:20:21 on Wed, 17
Jun 2020, MissRiaElaine remarked:

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are useless.

On what basis did you reach that conclusion? As long as they're at
least two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.


Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.


Perhaps the message that they aren't intended to protect the wearer,
hasn't got through?


Of course it hasn't got through. Do you think all those mask wearing bed wetters
who cross the road when someone approaches them do it for the other person?

This is a wonderful commentary on the ability of the general public to
"act like grown-ups" and make sensible decisions based on the perceived
risks, when they fall at the first fence like this.


Plenty of the general public are making sensible decisions - they're ignoring
the 2m nonsense and not wearing idiotic masks.

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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:16:27 +0100
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 13:57, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:20:21 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote:

On 17/06/2020 13:11, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 07:29, tim... wrote:


"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
...
On 16/06/2020 16:56, tim... wrote:

good god

I was expecting something functionally superior

Functional..? NONE of the ridiculous things being worn by the public
at large are remotely functional.

You're wrong

some designs do have filtered vents which (attempt) to safely solve the
condensation problem

Whether they actually work, or not

I have no idea

They are medical masks and should be reserved for medical professionals.

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are useless.

On what basis did you reach that conclusion? As long as they're at least
two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.

Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.


False sense of security against what?


Against thinking they're protected when they're not. And that's what the
majority of idiots out there think. And if you can't see that, then
you're one of them. I give up.


I saw some paranoid with a mask take it off to cough yesterday. You have to
laugh


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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:16:27 +0100
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 13:57, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:20:21 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote:

On 17/06/2020 13:11, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 07:29, tim... wrote:


"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
...
On 16/06/2020 16:56, tim... wrote:

good god

I was expecting something functionally superior

Functional..? NONE of the ridiculous things being worn by the public
at large are remotely functional.

You're wrong

some designs do have filtered vents which (attempt) to safely solve the
condensation problem

Whether they actually work, or not

I have no idea

They are medical masks and should be reserved for medical professionals.

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are useless.

On what basis did you reach that conclusion? As long as they're at least
two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.

Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.

False sense of security against what?


Against thinking they're protected when they're not. And that's what the
majority of idiots out there think. And if you can't see that, then
you're one of them. I give up.


I saw some paranoid with a mask take it off to cough yesterday. You have to
laugh


Yup, that's pretty dumb.



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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 13:57, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:20:21 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote:

On 17/06/2020 13:11, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/06/2020 07:29, tim... wrote:


"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
...
On 16/06/2020 16:56, tim... wrote:

good god

I was expecting something functionally superior

Functional..? NONE of the ridiculous things being worn by the public
at large are remotely functional.

You're wrong

some designs do have filtered vents which (attempt) to safely solve the
condensation problem

Whether they actually work, or not

I have no idea

They are medical masks and should be reserved for medical professionals.

The silly cloth things that people wear walking around Tesco are useless.

On what basis did you reach that conclusion? As long as they're at least
two layers thick, they'll do the job they're intended to do.

Lull people into a false sense of security, yes. They're excellent at
that. I for one am not so easily fooled.


False sense of security against what?


Against thinking they're protected when they're not. And that's what the
majority of idiots out there think. And if you can't see that, then
you're one of them. I give up.


How do you know what the majority of the public think?



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