Bus cash fares will go up from £1 to £1.20 in January. Bus Saver
tickets will go up from 70p to £1 - the cost of a pack of six will
rise from £4.20 to £6.

That's a big price increase and I intend to stock up for the next few
years, but will I be caught out? There's no expiry date on Saver
tickets, but will the design change and my stock be rendered invalid?
Will Bua Saver tickets be withdrawn altogether in a year or two?

Does anyone have any insight or insider information of what will
happen? Thanks,

Dominic

"Dominic" wrote in message
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Bus cash fares will go up from £1 to £1.20 in January. Bus Saver
tickets will go up from 70p to £1 - the cost of a pack of six will
rise from £4.20 to £6.

That's a big price increase and I intend to stock up for the next few
years, but will I be caught out? There's no expiry date on Saver
tickets, but will the design change and my stock be rendered invalid?
Will Bua Saver tickets be withdrawn altogether in a year or two?

Does anyone have any insight or insider information of what will
happen? Thanks,

Dominic

An indication of where you are might help, there are no fares like that
round here..!

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
"Dominic" wrote in message
om...
Bus cash fares will go up from £1 to £1.20 in January. Bus Saver
tickets will go up from 70p to £1 - the cost of a pack of six will
rise from £4.20 to £6.

That's a big price increase and I intend to stock up for the next
few years, but will I be caught out? There's no expiry date on
Saver tickets, but will the design change and my stock be rendered
invalid? Will Bua Saver tickets be withdrawn altogether in a year
or two?

Does anyone have any insight or insider information of what will
happen? Thanks,

Dominic

An indication of where you are might help, there are no fares like
that round here..!

The OP was referring to London bus fares.

Follow-up set to limit this thread to u.t.l
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On 11 Oct 2004 12:49:26 -0700 Dominic said...

That's a big price increase and I intend to stock up for the next few
years, but will I be caught out? There's no expiry date on Saver
tickets, but will the design change and my stock be rendered invalid?

IIRC the price of the individual Saver tickets went up from 65p to 70p at
the beginning of this year with no change of design so I suspect the
stock won't change.

Although there is no expiry date, no doubt TfL/LOndon Buses have got
hidden somewhere in their Conditions of Carriage that they have the right
to withdraw the product when they want.

ISTR about 5 years London Buses introduced a Saver 6 "5 for the price of
6" on one ticket valid in Zone 1 only. Conductors or the driver had clip
the ticket against the next unused number. Wasn't successful and it got
withdrawn a short while after.

Will Bua Saver tickets be withdrawn altogether in a year or two?

Bearing in mind from January 2005 it will Oyster Prepay will be cheaper
(80p vs £1) after 09:30 Mon-Fri & all day weekends I reckon the Saver
product won't be around for much longer.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

"Phil Richards" wrote in message
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ISTR about 5 years London Buses introduced a Saver 6
"5 for the price of 6" on one ticket valid in Zone 1 only.
Wasn't successful

I'm not surprised... "6 for the price of 5" might have done better...;-)

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Phil Richards wrote in
T:

Although there is no expiry date, no doubt TfL/LOndon Buses have got
hidden somewhere in their Conditions of Carriage that they have the
right to withdraw the product when they want.

What notice would they give, and would they refund the cost of any unused
tickets?
I got caught on a similar thing when Mercury (remember them) withdrew their
payphones. I had unused credit on a calling card.

"Andrew Black (delete obvious bit)" wrote in message . 4...
Phil Richards wrote in
T:

Although there is no expiry date, no doubt TfL/LOndon Buses have got
hidden somewhere in their Conditions of Carriage that they have the
right to withdraw the product when they want.

What notice would they give, and would they refund the cost of any unused
tickets?
I got caught on a similar thing when Mercury (remember them) withdrew their
payphones. I had unused credit on a calling card.

I reckon they'll be around for at least another 2 years. We know from
TfL's Jan 2005 price list that they'll be around next year, and if
they were discontinued in Jan 2006 I think it would take a year to
phase them out and declare them no longer valid. That seems reasonable
notice.

Dominic

Phil Richards wrote in message ET...
On 11 Oct 2004 12:49:26 -0700 Dominic said...

That's a big price increase and I intend to stock up for the next few
years, but will I be caught out? There's no expiry date on Saver
tickets, but will the design change and my stock be rendered invalid?

IIRC the price of the individual Saver tickets went up from 65p to 70p at

the beginning of this year with no change of design so I suspect the
stock won't change.

Although there is no expiry date, no doubt TfL/LOndon Buses have got
hidden somewhere in their Conditions of Carriage that they have the right

to withdraw the product when they want.

ISTR about 5 years London Buses introduced a Saver 6 "5 for the price of
6" on one ticket valid in Zone 1 only. Conductors or the driver had clip
the ticket against the next unused number. Wasn't successful and it got
withdrawn a short while after.

Will Bua Saver tickets be withdrawn altogether in a year or two?

Bearing in mind from January 2005 it will Oyster Prepay will be cheaper
(80p vs 1) after 09:30 Mon-Fri & all day weekends I reckon the Saver
product won't be around for much longer.

I think the roadside ticket machines may also have sounded the death
knell for Bus Saver Tickets, since they're both solutions to the same
problem - reducing boarding times. I wish London Buses had done more
to promote Saver Tickets and the Ticket Stops that sell them, instead
of introducing pay before you board in central London. If someone's
first experience of a London Bus is the driver telling them to get off
and probably driving off without them, they won't get a good first
impression of bus travel!

I think the roadside ticket machines may also have sounded the death
knell for Bus Saver Tickets, since they're both solutions to the same
problem - reducing boarding times.

But have they really? I'm still shocked by the amount of would-be
passengers that are kicked off buses in the Central Zone because of the fact
that they didn't realise that they had to have a ticket before they
boarded - even now (as an aside - when was this introduced? 6months? 12
months ago?).

I'm sure that some of these were tourists, and could be forgiven for their
error, especially those without a semi-decent grasp of English, but I feel
that this thing happens all too often for it to be a coincidence. Is this
"new" rule actually published outside the country?

I was in the USA on business earlier this year, and whilst waiting in the
departure lounge at JFK, I spotted a "visitors guide" (or something along
those lines) to London, published by our friends at TfL - it was dated
September 2002, and as such didn't carry any information about this, and
also hopelessly outdated prices. As it was, I'd intended to keep it and
find out just how many inaccuracies it contained, but forgot it and left it
behind. Oh well.

M

"M J Forbes" wrote in message
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I think the roadside ticket machines may also have sounded the death
knell for Bus Saver Tickets, since they're both solutions to the same
problem - reducing boarding times.

But have they really? I'm still shocked by the amount of would-be
passengers that are kicked off buses in the Central Zone because of the
fact that they didn't realise that they had to have a ticket before they
boarded - even now (as an aside - when was this introduced? 6months? 12
months ago?).

I'm sure that some of these were tourists, and could be forgiven for their
error, especially those without a semi-decent grasp of English, but I feel
that this thing happens all too often for it to be a coincidence. Is this
"new" rule actually published outside the country?

I don't think that it's published outside of london.

I live well within the London commuting area (when I'm actually
in the UK) and were it not for the fact that I take this group I wouldn't
know stuff all about this new rule.

tim