"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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For years, I've advocated joining the Northern City Line from Moorgate up
with the W&C line at Bank to form the basis of a new key route through
the City and turning two rubbish lines into something useful.

Tunnel from Moorgate to Bank, astation at Blackfriars, and a tunnel to
the surface between Waterloo and Vauxhall. Can't be a lot of work
compared to most of the schemes that are proposed these days.

And yet the result would be massively useful - Herts/North London to SW
London/Surrey via Finsbury Park, Old Street, Bank, Blackfriars, Waterloo
and Vauxhall.

Routes such as Woking direct to Bank or Palmers Green direct to
Blackfriars or Wimbledon to Finsbury Park. I can't believe no-one has
ever seriously considered this idea before.

You'd have to enlarge the Waterloo & City line which would be extremely
expensive - it might even be easier to just build a new line (i.e.
Crossrail 2!).


Hmmm.... I thought the W&C tunnels were big enough to take regular stock...
Thought I had vague memories of NSE trains running on the line before the
management went over to LUL, but could well be wrong.


Don't forget that the Waterloo & City line is far from rubbish;


I've only had about two legitimate causes to use it in my life. But I can
see why it might be popular with some very very conformist passengers who
live in Surrey, wear the same suit every day, and work 9-5 in the City.


it's extremely busy in the peaks with commuters arriving at Waterloo, and
unless you send *all* SWT services through your route, everyone will still
end up piling onto the new through trains which will already be heavily
loaded. A high frequency would probably be difficult to achieve.


There's probably a good case for duplicating the track there anyway.

Then the line could potentially run a mixture of short-run services using
tube stock (terminating at Waterloo when coming from the north, and at Bank
when approaching from the South) and longer distances with mainline trains.

BTN

In message , at 16:53:18 on Wed, 13 Oct
2004, Sir Benjamin Nunn remarked:
Hmmm.... I thought the W&C tunnels were big enough to take regular stock...
Thought I had vague memories of NSE trains running on the line before the
management went over to LUL, but could well be wrong.

Erm, the trains were once run by NSE, but they were small tube trains.
I've had a cab ride on the W&C and I can assure you that the Central
Line stick they are currently using only *just* fits!!
--
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"Sir Benjamin Nunn" wrote in message
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I thought the W&C tunnels were big enough to take regular stock...

No, in fact they had to be enlarged slightly to take the 92 stock.

Thought I had vague memories of NSE trains
running on the line before the management
went over to LUL, but could well be wrong.

They were certainly NSE trains, but approximately tube gauge. The current 92
stock are still in NSE livery.

You might be interested in something I put together a few years ago.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...tml#BlackTrack

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John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 13 Oct 2004:

They were certainly NSE trains, but approximately tube gauge. The current 92
stock are still in NSE livery.

Er - when did you last go on the W&C? Last time I went, at an Open Day
a few years ago, the line were in ordinary LUL livery.
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"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
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John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 13 Oct 2004:

The current 92 stock are still in NSE livery.

Last time I went, at an Open Day
a few years ago, the line were in ordinary LUL livery.

That's a shame. I'd love to know how the business case for the repainting
stacked up. I bet it contained words like "synergy".

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:52:04 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

That's a shame. I'd love to know how the business case for the repainting
stacked up. I bet it contained words like "synergy".

I'm fairly sure they were in NSE livery last time I checked. I guess
either one set is in one livery and the other in the other, or the OP
is confused because NSE livery and Tube livery contain more or less
the same base colours (red/white/blue).

Neil

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Annabel Smyth wrote the following in:


John Rowland wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 13 Oct 2004:

They were certainly NSE trains, but approximately tube gauge. The
current 92 stock are still in NSE livery.

Er - when did you last go on the W&C? Last time I went, at an
Open Day a few years ago, the line were in ordinary LUL livery.

You must be mistaken. The Waterloo and City line definitely still has
trains painted in NSE livery.

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On 13 Oct 2004 22:39:49 GMT, Robin May
wrote:



You must be mistaken. The Waterloo and City line definitely still has
trains painted in NSE livery.

It must have some that aren't then as well, because the trains I've
traveled on definitely weren't NSE livery

In message , k
writes
On 13 Oct 2004 22:39:49 GMT, Robin May
wrote:



You must be mistaken. The Waterloo and City line definitely still has
trains painted in NSE livery.

It must have some that aren't then as well, because the trains I've
traveled on definitely weren't NSE livery

I've travelled on both, so presumably there some sets with NSE livery
and some with LU roundels over the previous livery. (Note that the stock
still has the blue doors and fronts from NSE days as opposed to the red
doors and fronts that are standard elsewhere on LU).
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:30:11 +0100, Spyke wrote:

In message , k
writes
On 13 Oct 2004 22:39:49 GMT, Robin May
wrote:



You must be mistaken. The Waterloo and City line definitely still has
trains painted in NSE livery.

It must have some that aren't then as well, because the trains I've
traveled on definitely weren't NSE livery

I've travelled on both, so presumably there some sets with NSE livery
and some with LU roundels over the previous livery. (Note that the stock
still has the blue doors and fronts from NSE days as opposed to the red
doors and fronts that are standard elsewhere on LU).

If you look on the backs of the cars you will find the original 483
xxx unit numbers.

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