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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
Robin May wrote: wrote the following in: "EorJames" wrote: You know what you dont like this go away. It looks like you come in here to cause trouble. Muppet? You could of done something better than that. You dont like the line, then be off with you Boltar. How about you explain why the EOR ripped up the conductor rails so precluding any heritage tube operation. I seem to remember reading the answer to that question here already. It's because HMRI won't let any new railway start up using unprotected conductor rails like those on the tube. Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway. Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of network southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network rail took over from railtrack. Besides , they could have remained unpowered until an agreement had been reached. I suspect the real reason is that they made a nice little earner for the EOR down the scrap merchants. B2003 |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
Boltar wrote:
Robin May wrote: Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway. Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of network southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network rail took over from railtrack. No, because service was continuous. |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
James Farrar wrote: Boltar wrote: Robin May wrote: Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway. Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of network southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network rail took over from railtrack. No, because service was continuous. What about the Jubilee Line Extension ? Although this was an extension to an existing railway I'm sure dual methods of current collection could have been devised if necessary. Or is the whole of LUL, present and future, exempted from this supposed HMRI ruling? |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
"umpston" wrote the following in:
oups.com James Farrar wrote: Boltar wrote: Robin May wrote: Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway. Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of network southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network rail took over from railtrack. No, because service was continuous. What about the Jubilee Line Extension ? You answered your own question: this was an extension to an existing railway -- message by Robin May. Drinking Special Brew will get you drunk in much the same way that going to prison will give you a roof over your head and free meals. http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
James Farrar wrote: Boltar wrote: Robin May wrote: Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway. Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of network southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network rail took over from railtrack. No, because service was continuous. In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the derelict network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then. B2003 |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
"Boltar" wrote the following in:
ups.com James Farrar wrote: Boltar wrote: Robin May wrote: Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway. Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of network southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network rail took over from railtrack. No, because service was continuous. In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the derelict network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then. No, because that's an extension of an existing network. -- message by Robin May. Drinking Special Brew will get you drunk in much the same way that going to prison will give you a roof over your head and free meals. http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
Robin May wrote: "Boltar" wrote the following in: ups.com James Farrar wrote: Boltar wrote: Robin May wrote: Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway. Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of network southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network rail took over from railtrack. No, because service was continuous. In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the derelict network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then. No, because that's an extension of an existing network. I think you're splitting hairs. If the Ongar line had never been severed from the rest of the central line but ownership had simply passed to the EOR I can't see how there could be any legal objections to it remaining electrified. B2003 |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
"Boltar" wrote the following in:
oups.com Robin May wrote: "Boltar" wrote the following in: ups.com In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the derelict network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then. No, because that's an extension of an existing network. I think you're splitting hairs. I'm not the one who makes the rules! If the Ongar line had never been severed from the rest of the central line but ownership had simply passed to the EOR I can't see how there could be any legal objections to it remaining electrified. You'd have to take that up with HMRI. -- message by Robin May. Drinking Special Brew will get you drunk in much the same way that going to prison will give you a roof over your head and free meals. http://robinmay.fotopic.net |
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News Flash: Epping and Ongar line Easter Opening dates!!!
Robin May wrote:
"Boltar" wrote the following in: oups.com Robin May wrote: "Boltar" wrote the following in: ups.com In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the derelict network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then. No, because that's an extension of an existing network. I think you're splitting hairs. I'm not the one who makes the rules! If the Ongar line had never been severed from the rest of the central line but ownership had simply passed to the EOR I can't see how there could be any legal objections to it remaining electrified. You'd have to take that up with HMRI. -- message by Robin May. But Robin - are you certain this is an actual HMRI ruling? I recall earlier reports that the lineside wiring was stripped by thieves after the power was switched off. I also heard that EOR were criticised for removing the power rails but leaving the supports and insulators in place - a trip hazard for track workers. I presume they've now removed them. I can well imagine the insurance and training requirements of an electric railway might be expensive and onerous for a volunteer organisation. But I've not heard of any specific HMRI ruling against either this or against re-opening an existing railway with fully exposed conductor rails - someone (possibly from EOR) may well be able to correct me! By the way, I wish EOR well but I think they'd need to make peace with ORPS before I would consider supporting either organisation. I hope at least to come for a ride soon. |
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