Paul Corfield wrote:
At least you were only glared at. I've been bashed into,
had my feet run over and witnessed all out warfare being
buggy toting mothers.

Of course I'm sure you're just lovely, but trying to
maneouvre buggies and/or a small child on buses (whether
tha stroller is collapsed or not) would be a great deal
easier if some passengers weren't a load of inconsiderate
******s.

If your experience of buggies and mothers has made you
hostile, think about what their experience is. You're
just got to stand around like the nice gentleman you are;
they've got a buggy and child to shift.

#Paul

In message ,
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they've got a buggy and child to shift.
They are masters of their own fate. If they can't fold a push chair
then walk, if they can't walk then keep your knees together and you
won't have the trouble of push chairs and kids annoying real passengers
who need to get from A to B. Lets not forget that these women have all
day to do their shopping or what ever it is they do.
--
Clive

Clive wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:

In message ,
writes
they've got a buggy and child to shift.
They are masters of their own fate. If they can't fold a push chair then
walk, if they can't walk then keep your knees together and you won't
have the trouble of push chairs and kids annoying real passengers who
need to get from A to B. Lets not forget that these women have all day
to do their shopping or what ever it is they do.

While I find buggies on buses can be as annoying and intrusive as you
evidently do, could I point out that a great many mothers of young
children are obliged to work to make ends meet (and this has always been
the case - the "Protestant work ethic" of father earning the family's
living while mother stayed at home with the children was always a
middle-class dream, never a working-class reality), so need to travel to
work when you do. Perhaps *you* could change *your* working hours,
since you are not encumbered by a family?

Please do try not to be so appallingly, insensitively offensive.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

In message , Mrs Redboots
writes
While I find buggies on buses can be as annoying and intrusive as you
evidently do, could I point out that a great many mothers of young
children are obliged to work to make ends meet (and this has always
been the case - the "Protestant work ethic" of father earning the
family's living while mother stayed at home with the children was
always a middle-class dream, never a working-class reality), so need to
travel to work when you do. Perhaps *you* could change *your* working
hours, since you are not encumbered by a family?

Please do try not to be so appallingly, insensitively offensive.
I am sorry for offending you, but I still think mothers with pushchairs
should have then folded before even attempting to board a bus. You're
right that I don't understand everyone's circumstances, but I do
understand the room these things take up and that modern buses of the
kneeling type are for wheelchair access not pushchair access. A little
thought would confirm my position, and I am white and working class.
Just go back a few years and you'll remember that whilst we had rear
loading with a conductor, he would refuse access to someone with an
unfolded pushchair and would only wait for it to be folded if the bus
was a bit early.
--
Clive

In article ,
(Clive) wrote:

In message , Mrs Redboots
writes
While I find buggies on buses can be as annoying and intrusive as you
evidently do, could I point out that a great many mothers of young
children are obliged to work to make ends meet (and this has always
been the case - the "Protestant work ethic" of father earning the
family's living while mother stayed at home with the children was
always a middle-class dream, never a working-class reality), so need
to travel to work when you do. Perhaps *you* could change *your*
working hours, since you are not encumbered by a family?

Please do try not to be so appallingly, insensitively offensive.
I am sorry for offending you, but I still think mothers with pushchairs
should have then folded before even attempting to board a bus. You're
right that I don't understand everyone's circumstances, but I do
understand the room these things take up and that modern buses of the
kneeling type are for wheelchair access not pushchair access. A
little thought would confirm my position, and I am white and working
class. Just go back a few years and you'll remember that whilst we had
rear loading with a conductor, he would refuse access to someone with
an unfolded pushchair and would only wait for it to be folded if the
bus was a bit early.

You don't understand the issues of transporting a young child, do you?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:44:41 +0100, Clive
wrote:

In message , Mrs Redboots
writes
While I find buggies on buses can be as annoying and intrusive as you
evidently do, could I point out that a great many mothers of young
children are obliged to work to make ends meet (and this has always
been the case - the "Protestant work ethic" of father earning the
family's living while mother stayed at home with the children was
always a middle-class dream, never a working-class reality), so need to
travel to work when you do. Perhaps *you* could change *your* working
hours, since you are not encumbered by a family?

Please do try not to be so appallingly, insensitively offensive.
I am sorry for offending you, but I still think mothers with pushchairs
should have then folded before even attempting to board a bus. You're
right that I don't understand everyone's circumstances, but I do
understand the room these things take up and that modern buses of the
kneeling type are for wheelchair access not pushchair access.

Quote from TFL website: 'Today, our buses are environmentally friendly
and easy to use.........Low-floor vehicles, retractable ramps and
designated spaces for wheelchairs and pushchairs means improved
accessibility for more people.


A little thought would confirm my position, and I am white and working class.
Just go back a few years and you'll remember that whilst we had rear
loading with a conductor, he would refuse access to someone with an
unfolded pushchair and would only wait for it to be folded if the bus
was a bit early.

But the design of buses has improved and the parents , who are much
more numerous than wheelchair users, might reasonably expect that they
don't have to mess around with folding buggies any more.

--
Peter Lawrence

In message , Peter Lawrence
writes
But the design of buses has improved and the parents , who are much
more numerous than wheelchair users, might reasonably expect that they
don't have to mess around with folding buggies any more.
Are they prepared to fold up a pushchair if a wheelchair user gets on a
bus they are already on?
--
Clive

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:33:23 +0100, Clive
wrote:

Are they prepared to fold up a pushchair if a wheelchair user gets on a
bus they are already on?

They certainly should be. If they are not (assuming they are able to
do so), they are then being inconsiderate. Merely boarding an empty
bus with an unfolded pram is not in itself an inconsiderate act. It
is using the available facilities appropriately.

(No, incidentally, I do not have young children).

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

Clive wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Jun 2005:

In message , Peter
Lawrence writes
But the design of buses has improved and the parents , who are much
more numerous than wheelchair users, might reasonably expect that
they don't have to mess around with folding buggies any more.
Are they prepared to fold up a pushchair if a wheelchair user gets on a
bus they are already on?

They are supposed to be - there are notices in most areas saying that
they must. Whether they are or not, I don't know - the last time I saw
a wheelchair user on a bus (two days ago, incidentally), there was only
shopping in the bay, not pushchairs.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 23 May 2005

"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message
...

But the design of buses has improved and the parents , who are much
more numerous than wheelchair users, might reasonably expect that they
don't have to mess around with folding buggies any more.

That doesn't alter the fact that I, a 55 year-old, am expected to jump up
and hand over my seat the minute some 17 year-old chav slapper gets on the
bus with a buggy the size of Peckham!

Ian