On 15 Jul 2005 00:49:43 -0700, "downunder" wrote:

An internal site has been added to the internal web on LUL which has
the experiences of tube staff on that fateful morning. It includes what
the first people to the trains found - some of it is pretty hard to
read. I am unsure if i should post them here but i'm sure it is of
interest. Any other thoughts from Tube Staff....Paul C??

Having had a little read this morning of two or three of the items
posted I have to say I found it both tough to deal with and hugely
impressive.

My own view is that it should remain private. Sorry if that disappoints
anybody but we all choose to be here and what to say - the people who
volunteered their thoughts to a private LU site should be allowed to
keep their thoughts there.

As this group is available world wide I would hate to think that the
names of LU staff were leaked into the "open" with goodness knows what
risk of the media - and believe me they do read these groups - then
trying to get to the people concerned.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005 00:49:43 -0700, "downunder" wrote:


An internal site has been added to the internal web on LUL which has
the experiences of tube staff on that fateful morning. It includes what
the first people to the trains found - some of it is pretty hard to
read. I am unsure if i should post them here but i'm sure it is of
interest. Any other thoughts from Tube Staff....Paul C??


Having had a little read this morning of two or three of the items
posted I have to say I found it both tough to deal with and hugely
impressive.

My own view is that it should remain private. Sorry if that disappoints
anybody but we all choose to be here and what to say - the people who
volunteered their thoughts to a private LU site should be allowed to
keep their thoughts there.

As this group is available world wide I would hate to think that the
names of LU staff were leaked into the "open" with goodness knows what
risk of the media - and believe me they do read these groups - then
trying to get to the people concerned.

Agreed - I read through them all this morning and don't think it would
be appropriate to release their thoughts into the public domain at this
stage. We often talk of the "TfL Family" and in this case, I feel the
very personal experiences of our colleagues should remain "within the
family". Just my opinion though.

Cheers,

Steve M

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they were saying :

An internal site has been added to the internal web on LUL which has
the experiences of tube staff on that fateful morning. It includes what
the first people to the trains found - some of it is pretty hard to
read. I am unsure if i should post them here but i'm sure it is of
interest. Any other thoughts from Tube Staff....Paul C??

Having had a little read this morning of two or three of the items
posted I have to say I found it both tough to deal with and hugely
impressive.

My own view is that it should remain private. Sorry if that disappoints
anybody but we all choose to be here and what to say - the people who
volunteered their thoughts to a private LU site should be allowed to
keep their thoughts there.

As this group is available world wide I would hate to think that the
names of LU staff were leaked into the "open" with goodness knows what
risk of the media - and believe me they do read these groups - then
trying to get to the people concerned.

On the one hand, it's a shame.
On the other, I can certainly understand and respect the reasons.

Perhaps some taster snippets (and, no, I'm not talking about the prurient
downmarket tabloid blood'n'guts stuff) would help those of us on the other
side to better understand, though?

"Adrian" wrote in message
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Perhaps some taster snippets (and, no, I'm not talking about the prurient
downmarket tabloid blood'n'guts stuff) would help those of us on the other
side to better understand, though?

What exactly are you after?

Let's just hope then that LU only use any quotes from said experiences
in the public domain *after* checking first with the contributer(s)
concerned. I wonder if this intranet facility is being provided to some
extent as part of a cathartic process in getting staff to talk about
what happened to them on the day and on how they were affected? Nothing
wrong with that of course.

The TfL website described 7/7 as the worst day in the Underground's
history, which surely means their collective memory does not go back as
far as WW11 and various events at Bank, Balham and Bethnal Green?
(Though it would be bad taste to play a cynical numbers game
re.victims.)

Interestingly, I've already has hassle when taking photos on LU with
staff citing 7/7 as reason for the "ban"(Sic). Sadly this is how
dictorship starts - as of course there is no ban on general personal
photography on LU (save the usual well-discussed caveats) but perhaps
now maybe we should introduce one "to be on the safe side"? Remember
terrorism is all about making people change their daily routine and
general way of life.

or even "dictatorship" !!!

On 17 Jul 2005 08:18:00 -0700, wrote:

Let's just hope then that LU only use any quotes from said experiences
in the public domain *after* checking first with the contributer(s)
concerned. I wonder if this intranet facility is being provided to some
extent as part of a cathartic process in getting staff to talk about
what happened to them on the day and on how they were affected? Nothing
wrong with that of course.

My very limited experience and some feedback from people who work for me
is that a lot of LU people do want to talk about what has happened.

Interestingly, I've already has hassle when taking photos on LU with
staff citing 7/7 as reason for the "ban"(Sic). Sadly this is how
dictorship starts - as of course there is no ban on general personal
photography on LU (save the usual well-discussed caveats) but perhaps
now maybe we should introduce one "to be on the safe side"? Remember
terrorism is all about making people change their daily routine and
general way of life.

A somewhat ironic reaction given

a) the police's repeated pleas for any photo evidence held by the
public.
b) the general recognition by organisations like BAA that allowing
enthusiasts to take photos without undue restriction is a good thing.
After some lobbying the TOCs and Network Rail have now agreed a code of
practice for photography on the railway system that is designed to
permit access and not restrict it.
c) there is no evidence whatsoever that allowing people to take
photographs of what TfL itself calls a London attraction had anything to
do with the events of 10 days ago.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On 17 Jul 2005 08:18:00 -0700, wrote:



The TfL website described 7/7 as the worst day in the Underground's
history, which surely means their collective memory does not go back as
far as WW11 and various events at Bank, Balham and Bethnal Green?
(Though it would be bad taste to play a cynical numbers game
re.victims.)

Worse peace time day I think you'll find.

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

Robert Woolley wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 08:18:00 -0700, wrote:



The TfL website described 7/7 as the worst day in the Underground's
history, which surely means their collective memory does not go
back as far as WW11 and various events at Bank, Balham and Bethnal
Green? (Though it would be bad taste to play a cynical numbers game
re.victims.)

Worse peace time day I think you'll find.

The actual words are "This is the worst incident in the history of
London underground".
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
Robert Woolley wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 08:18:00 -0700, wrote:



The TfL website described 7/7 as the worst day in the Underground's
history, which surely means their collective memory does not go
back as far as WW11 and various events at Bank, Balham and Bethnal
Green? (Though it would be bad taste to play a cynical numbers game
re.victims.)

Worse peace time day I think you'll find.

The actual words are "This is the worst incident in the history of
London underground".

Is that "London underground" what has become the system or "London
Underground Limited"?

If the latter, then the statement is true since LU Ltd only came into
existence in 1984. ;-)