On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:30:57 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

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I do not know and have not seen anything that says what happened next by
way of bus services in Greater London. Were buses taken off London wide?
Did TfL instruct this, did the bus companies or did the drivers take
buses back to be security checked?

From my own very limited experience on the day it seems that buses were
not running into Islington until mid afternoon.which is when I got to
the Angel having resigned myself to a 10 mile walk home. Watching the
buses on the 38 and 73 starting to roll it was clear that they were just
coming back into service not that they had been running over part of the
route in Zone 2 and beyond. I later saw and managed to catch a
Stagecoach bus home but again it was hard to say if that had been
running all the time or had just started service a little earlier. It
also seemed that the bus service in Walthamstow was badly disrupted
which seems to support a view that says buses beyond Zone 1 were also
taken off the road. All of the above is my guesswork though - not
definitive evidence to use in any further argument.


From a contact at First (Northumberland Park).
"Centrecomm put the call out banning all buses from Zone 1.
Drivers on routes 91, 341 and 476 were instructed to return to NP for
safety (security) checks. No other routes were instructed to return to
the depot.

At about midday, the 60 buses that had returned to the depot started
leaving again. Only three drivers refused to go back out and finish
their duties.

The 341 and 476 were operating between Northumberland Park and
Newington Green, the 91 Crouch End to Holloway, and the 259 Edmonton
to Holloway. Controllers were positioned at each terminal to assist in
further security checks.

341 was restored to Waterloo from about 1530.

There were, however, problems later in the day when some drivers
booked for late turns failed to arrive, for whatever the reasons".

HTH

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Thomas Covenant
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005 00:49:43 -0700, "downunder" wrote:


An internal site has been added to the internal web on LUL which has
the experiences of tube staff on that fateful morning. It includes what
the first people to the trains found - some of it is pretty hard to
read. I am unsure if i should post them here but i'm sure it is of
interest. Any other thoughts from Tube Staff....Paul C??


Having had a little read this morning of two or three of the items
posted I have to say I found it both tough to deal with and hugely
impressive.

My own view is that it should remain private. Sorry if that disappoints
anybody but we all choose to be here and what to say - the people who
volunteered their thoughts to a private LU site should be allowed to
keep their thoughts there.

As this group is available world wide I would hate to think that the
names of LU staff were leaked into the "open" with goodness knows what
risk of the media - and believe me they do read these groups - then
trying to get to the people concerned.

Agreed - I read through them all this morning and don't think it would
be appropriate to release their thoughts into the public domain at this
stage. We often talk of the "TfL Family" and in this case, I feel the
very personal experiences of our colleagues should remain "within the
family". Just my opinion though.

Cheers,

Steve M

There were, however, problems later in the day when some drivers
booked for late turns failed to arrive, for whatever the reasons".

Transport problems, they couldn't get in as the busses weren't running

riding on the cushions

?

Is this sharing the cab with the driver (there's obvously room for two
for times of instruction, and riding up front would be more comfortable
than crammed into the cattletruck behind

On 16 Jul 2005 09:48:35 -0700, "Paul Weaver"
wrote:

There were, however, problems later in the day when some drivers
booked for late turns failed to arrive, for whatever the reasons".

Transport problems, they couldn't get in as the busses weren't running

That may well have been the reason at some garages, but, my contact at
Northumberland Park says that was not the case there.

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Paul Corfield ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

An internal site has been added to the internal web on LUL which has
the experiences of tube staff on that fateful morning. It includes what
the first people to the trains found - some of it is pretty hard to
read. I am unsure if i should post them here but i'm sure it is of
interest. Any other thoughts from Tube Staff....Paul C??

Having had a little read this morning of two or three of the items
posted I have to say I found it both tough to deal with and hugely
impressive.

My own view is that it should remain private. Sorry if that disappoints
anybody but we all choose to be here and what to say - the people who
volunteered their thoughts to a private LU site should be allowed to
keep their thoughts there.

As this group is available world wide I would hate to think that the
names of LU staff were leaked into the "open" with goodness knows what
risk of the media - and believe me they do read these groups - then
trying to get to the people concerned.

On the one hand, it's a shame.
On the other, I can certainly understand and respect the reasons.

Perhaps some taster snippets (and, no, I'm not talking about the prurient
downmarket tabloid blood'n'guts stuff) would help those of us on the other
side to better understand, though?

Let's just hope then that LU only use any quotes from said experiences
in the public domain *after* checking first with the contributer(s)
concerned. I wonder if this intranet facility is being provided to some
extent as part of a cathartic process in getting staff to talk about
what happened to them on the day and on how they were affected? Nothing
wrong with that of course.

The TfL website described 7/7 as the worst day in the Underground's
history, which surely means their collective memory does not go back as
far as WW11 and various events at Bank, Balham and Bethnal Green?
(Though it would be bad taste to play a cynical numbers game
re.victims.)

Interestingly, I've already has hassle when taking photos on LU with
staff citing 7/7 as reason for the "ban"(Sic). Sadly this is how
dictorship starts - as of course there is no ban on general personal
photography on LU (save the usual well-discussed caveats) but perhaps
now maybe we should introduce one "to be on the safe side"? Remember
terrorism is all about making people change their daily routine and
general way of life.

or even "dictatorship" !!!

On 17 Jul 2005 08:18:00 -0700, wrote:

Let's just hope then that LU only use any quotes from said experiences
in the public domain *after* checking first with the contributer(s)
concerned. I wonder if this intranet facility is being provided to some
extent as part of a cathartic process in getting staff to talk about
what happened to them on the day and on how they were affected? Nothing
wrong with that of course.

My very limited experience and some feedback from people who work for me
is that a lot of LU people do want to talk about what has happened.

Interestingly, I've already has hassle when taking photos on LU with
staff citing 7/7 as reason for the "ban"(Sic). Sadly this is how
dictorship starts - as of course there is no ban on general personal
photography on LU (save the usual well-discussed caveats) but perhaps
now maybe we should introduce one "to be on the safe side"? Remember
terrorism is all about making people change their daily routine and
general way of life.

A somewhat ironic reaction given

a) the police's repeated pleas for any photo evidence held by the
public.
b) the general recognition by organisations like BAA that allowing
enthusiasts to take photos without undue restriction is a good thing.
After some lobbying the TOCs and Network Rail have now agreed a code of
practice for photography on the railway system that is designed to
permit access and not restrict it.
c) there is no evidence whatsoever that allowing people to take
photographs of what TfL itself calls a London attraction had anything to
do with the events of 10 days ago.
--
Paul C


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On 17 Jul 2005 08:18:00 -0700, wrote:



The TfL website described 7/7 as the worst day in the Underground's
history, which surely means their collective memory does not go back as
far as WW11 and various events at Bank, Balham and Bethnal Green?
(Though it would be bad taste to play a cynical numbers game
re.victims.)

Worse peace time day I think you'll find.

Rob.
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rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk