Well, at the Saturday press conference two days after the bombing Tim
O'Toole stated that the Piccadilly line tunnel was intact,

Just from what I've seen in the media and by the consequences of the
bombs it seems to me that they weren't all that powerful (otherwise
the carriages would have completely annihalated and no one inside
would have survived) so I suspect damage to the tunnels (which are
built a lot stronger than the trains) is probably limited to damaged
cabling and track.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
Well, at the Saturday press conference two days after the bombing Tim
O'Toole stated that the Piccadilly line tunnel was intact,

Just from what I've seen in the media and by the consequences of the
bombs it seems to me that they weren't all that powerful (otherwise
the carriages would have completely annihalated and no one inside
would have survived) so I suspect damage to the tunnels (which are
built a lot stronger than the trains) is probably limited to damaged
cabling and track.

B2003

Cabling can be a problem though. It was on the news a while ago. The
reason the Northern Line took so long to get working last time that had
an accident was that they didn't have any up to date wiring diagrams.
If the Piccadilly line is the same then that could take a while too.

On 19 Jul 2005 05:21:39 -0700, wrote:



Boltar wrote:
Well, at the Saturday press conference two days after the bombing Tim
O'Toole stated that the Piccadilly line tunnel was intact,

Just from what I've seen in the media and by the consequences of the
bombs it seems to me that they weren't all that powerful (otherwise
the carriages would have completely annihalated and no one inside
would have survived) so I suspect damage to the tunnels (which are
built a lot stronger than the trains) is probably limited to damaged
cabling and track.

Cabling can be a problem though. It was on the news a while ago. The
reason the Northern Line took so long to get working last time that had
an accident was that they didn't have any up to date wiring diagrams.
If the Piccadilly line is the same then that could take a while too.

This is correct but removal of the train will have to be done very
carefully to avoid causing even more damage to cables and other parts of
the infrastructure.

Half of the train at KX has been removed to Cockfosters depot while I am
told the Edgware Road carriages were being taken away by low loader
today having been craned out.
--
Paul C


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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

Half of the train at KX has been removed to Cockfosters depot while I
am
told the Edgware Road carriages were being taken away by low loader
today having been craned out.

How many cars were removed by rail Earlier reports said that the rear
four cars of the Piccadilly train would be removed by rail towards
King's Cross while presumably the rear three car unit would have been
the simplest. The Circle trains are two-car units so at least one of
them should have been able to be removed by rail.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote:
How many cars were removed by rail Earlier reports said that the rear
four cars of the Piccadilly train would be removed by rail towards
King's Cross while presumably the rear three car unit would have been
the simplest. The Circle trains are two-car units so at least one of
them should have been able to be removed by rail.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Aren't Picc trains six cars? (3-3)

Patrick SIU wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote:
How many cars were removed by rail Earlier reports said that the
rear four cars of the Piccadilly train would be removed by rail
towards King's Cross while presumably the rear three car unit would
have been the simplest. The Circle trains are two-car units so at
least one of them should have been able to be removed by rail.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Aren't Picc trains six cars? (3-3)

Yes.

"Brimstone" wrote:
Patrick SIU wrote:
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote:
How many cars were removed by rail Earlier reports said that the
rear four cars of the Piccadilly train would be removed by rail
towards King's Cross while presumably the rear three car unit would
have been the simplest. The Circle trains are two-car units so at
least one of them should have been able to be removed by rail.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Aren't Picc trains six cars? (3-3)

Yes.

Then how come he said "Three-car" after "four-car"?

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:42 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

Half of the train at KX has been removed to Cockfosters depot while I
am
told the Edgware Road carriages were being taken away by low loader
today having been craned out.

How many cars were removed by rail Earlier reports said that the rear
four cars of the Piccadilly train would be removed by rail towards
King's Cross while presumably the rear three car unit would have been
the simplest. The Circle trains are two-car units so at least one of
them should have been able to be removed by rail.

On the Picc Line I am sure our internal report said 4 cars. I assume
this was done to get the maximum amount of movable cars out of the way.
I appreciate this defies normal "logic" but we are not dealing with a
normal situation.

The Circle Line removal was explained to me as all cars being winched
out. Obviously only the one damaged car was taken out - as seen on TV.
I assume that the others have been pulled clear to allow the damaged car
out. I've not seen a report on what has moved and to where re the
remaining Edgware Rd / Aldgate trains.
--
Paul C


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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:42 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

Half of the train at KX has been removed to Cockfosters depot while
I am told the Edgware Road carriages were being taken away by low
loader today having been craned out.

How many cars were removed by rail Earlier reports said that the
rear
four cars of the Piccadilly train would be removed by rail towards
King's Cross while presumably the rear three car unit would have been
the simplest. The Circle trains are two-car units so at least one of
them should have been able to be removed by rail.

On the Picc Line I am sure our internal report said 4 cars. I assume
this was done to get the maximum amount of movable cars out of the way.
I appreciate this defies normal "logic" but we are not dealing with a
normal situation.

The Circle Line removal was explained to me as all cars being winched
out. Obviously only the one damaged car was taken out - as seen on TV.
I assume that the others have been pulled clear to allow the damaged
car
out. I've not seen a report on what has moved and to where re the
remaining Edgware Rd / Aldgate trains.

So there's been no report, internal or otherwise, which specifies the
numbers of the cars which were hit by the bombs (see my earlier post
about stock damage)?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:13 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

So there's been no report, internal or otherwise, which specifies the
numbers of the cars which were hit by the bombs (see my earlier post
about stock damage)?

I've not seen anything but that doesn't mean such information does not
exist. I am not on the recovery team.
--
Paul C


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