In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

Right-turning traffic, which IS allowed to stop in the box, might be
prevented from turning at the end of the green phase by a jam in the
road they want to enter.

You are only allowed to enter to turn right if your exit is clear so
the only obstruction is oncoming traffic in the road you are turning
out of.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

Right-turning traffic, which IS allowed to stop in the box, might
be prevented from turning at the end of the green phase by a jam
in the road they want to enter.

You are only allowed to enter to turn right if your exit is clear so
the only obstruction is oncoming traffic in the road you are turning
out of.

Yes, I know. But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic
turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are
then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular
junction in Chiswick.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:06:37 GMT, Richard J. wrote:

Yes, I know. But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic
turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are
then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular
junction in Chiswick.

If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it into a
roundabout.

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Chris Tolley wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:06:37 GMT, Richard J. wrote:

Yes, I know. But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming
traffic turns left and jams up the side road that was previously
clear. You are then stuck on the yellow box. This happens
frequently at a particular junction in Chiswick.

If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it
into a roundabout.

Really? I had no idea the solution was that simple. Tell me, if you
replace the lights by this roundabout, how would you ensure safe
pedestrian routes across the junction in this busy shopping area?

The reason the side road jams up is actually a poor layout of parking
spaces and centre white line which leaves insufficient room for the
frequent buses on route E3 that turn in from the main road. The council
know what needs to be done but are taking ages to do it. (Chiswick High
Road / Turnham Green Terrace junction)

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:54:23 GMT, Richard J. wrote:
Chris Tolley wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:06:37 GMT, Richard J. wrote:
While you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic turns left and
jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are then
stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently.

If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it
into a roundabout.

Really? I had no idea the solution was that simple.

Well, really it is you who deserve the credit for describing the
situation so comprehensively. With such a clear description, anyone can
arrive at simple solutions quickly.
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(83 005 on the move at London Euston in 1980)

In message , at 09:10:54 on
Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Chris Tolley remarked:
But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic
turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are
then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular
junction in Chiswick.

If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it into a
roundabout.

So that's the excuse you'd give to the court, is it?
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:00:58 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Chris Tolley remarked:
But while you are waiting to turn right, oncoming traffic
turns left and jams up the side road that was previously clear. You are
then stuck on the yellow box. This happens frequently at a particular
junction in Chiswick.

If this does indeed happen frequently, then it's time to make it into a
roundabout.

So that's the excuse you'd give to the court, is it?

In a court, I would, of course, tell the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth.
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(A signalbox miles from the nearest railway - Hartington, 2005)