These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that that
station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken could
introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.

Kevin

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These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that that
station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken could
introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to read the
article and to understand it.

Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that that
station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken could
introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to read the
article and to understand it.
Ok my understanding is that TfL are encouraging passngers not to use
Covent Garden tube at the weekend due to overcrowding.
Covent Garden is the busiest tube station that is exclusively served by
lifts.
TfL are encouraging passengers to use Charing Cross, Embankment and
Holburn (but strangely not Leicester Sq).


The opening paragraph states "Transport chiefs are urging people to
reduce congestion at Covent Garden Tube station by using other forms of
travel".

Is my understanding ok, what have I not understood?

Kevin

wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that
that station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken
could introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to read
the article and to understand it.
Ok my understanding is that TfL are encouraging passngers not to use
Covent Garden tube at the weekend due to overcrowding.
Covent Garden is the busiest tube station that is exclusively served
by lifts.
TfL are encouraging passengers to use Charing Cross, Embankment and
Holburn (but strangely not Leicester Sq).


The opening paragraph states "Transport chiefs are urging people to
reduce congestion at Covent Garden Tube station by using other forms
of travel".

Is my understanding ok, what have I not understood?

If your level of understanding is such why does the story make you laugh?

"Brimstone" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that
that station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken
could introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to read
the article and to understand it.
Ok my understanding is that TfL are encouraging passngers not to use
Covent Garden tube at the weekend due to overcrowding.
Covent Garden is the busiest tube station that is exclusively served
by lifts.
TfL are encouraging passengers to use Charing Cross, Embankment and
Holburn (but strangely not Leicester Sq).


The opening paragraph states "Transport chiefs are urging people to
reduce congestion at Covent Garden Tube station by using other forms
of travel".

Is my understanding ok, what have I not understood?

If your level of understanding is such why does the story make you laugh?


I would imagine he's laughing at the irony of London Underground (sic:
that's what the news story says) saying "don't use one of our own stations
at busy times" - although, I agree it's for very good reasons. Really it's
admission that the Covent Garden market area is so popular that the
out-of-date lifts (as opposed to escalators) in the station can't cope.

Leicester Square is probably the closest station to Covent Garden market
after CG station itself, so the fact that it's not mentioned suggests that
it is also very busy, though it has escalators rather than lifts, IIRC, so
at least it can handle the number of people better. Don't give Ken ideas
about financial penalties to discourage people-congestion at busy stations
;-)

The ideal solution would be escalators. I presume the fact that the lifts
have survived so long is an indication that the site isn't suited to the
extra horizontal space required for escalators and that conversion would be
seriously costly in terms of the building/tunnelling work involved.

Martin Underwood wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that
that station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken
could introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to read
the article and to understand it.
Ok my understanding is that TfL are encouraging passngers not to use
Covent Garden tube at the weekend due to overcrowding.
Covent Garden is the busiest tube station that is exclusively served
by lifts.
TfL are encouraging passengers to use Charing Cross, Embankment and
Holburn (but strangely not Leicester Sq).


The opening paragraph states "Transport chiefs are urging people to
reduce congestion at Covent Garden Tube station by using other forms
of travel".

Is my understanding ok, what have I not understood?

If your level of understanding is such why does the story make you
laugh?


I would imagine he's laughing at the irony of London Underground (sic:
that's what the news story says) saying "don't use one of our own
stations at busy times" - although, I agree it's for very good
reasons. Really it's admission that the Covent Garden market area is
so popular that the out-of-date lifts (as opposed to escalators) in
the station can't cope.

Leicester Square is probably the closest station to Covent Garden
market after CG station itself, so the fact that it's not mentioned
suggests that it is also very busy, though it has escalators rather
than lifts, IIRC, so at least it can handle the number of people
better. Don't give Ken ideas about financial penalties to discourage
people-congestion at busy stations ;-)

The ideal solution would be escalators. I presume the fact that the
lifts have survived so long is an indication that the site isn't
suited to the extra horizontal space required for escalators and that
conversion would be seriously costly in terms of the
building/tunnelling work involved.

That's my understanding also, the surface building would need to be located
elsewhere in the vicinity.

Martin Underwood wrote:

The ideal solution

would be to rename Leicester Sq Covent Garden and Covent Garden Ripoff
Central.

M.

"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
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The ideal solution would be escalators. I presume the
fact that the lifts have survived so long is an indication
that the site isn't suited to the extra horizontal space
required for escalators

Covent Garden was so quiet in the 1930s that it was considered for closure
at the same time as York Road and Brompton Road. It only became busy since
the 1970s or 1980s, by which time there had been no lift-escalator
conversions on the Underground for decades. The only subsequent
escalator-lift conversions have been part of bigger projects, such as
getting rid of the narrow platform at Angel, which is one of the stations
with the highest proportion of blind users.

and that conversion would be seriously costly
in terms of the building/tunnelling work involved.

Yes, I think money is the issue rather than any unique properties of this
site.


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Martin Underwood writes

The ideal solution would be escalators. I presume the fact that the lifts
have survived so long is an indication that the site isn't suited to the
extra horizontal space required for escalators and that conversion would be
seriously costly in terms of the building/tunnelling work involved.

The TfL 5-year plan announced "major works to relieve congestion" at
Covent Garden "by 2007" - but didn't say what these will be. It won't be
escalators, given the time-scale. My guess is that it will be to enlarge
the street-level ticket hall by converting adjacent property (or perhaps
by reviving the old plan of a second hall on the north side of Long
Acre, possibly with additional lifts). This would be worthwhile, since
the present ticket hall is far too small and adds considerably to the
congestion around the lifts.

I have often thought that the rebuilding of the opera house and the
entire north-west quarter of the piazza in the late 1990s would have
been an ideal time to have added escalators to the tube station - a new
station entrance could quite possibly have been included on the corner
of James Street and the new development.

But I'm sure cost is the real issue - if the £500M for the Victoria
redevelopment is any guide, putting in escalators at Covent Garden would
probably cost more than the entire redevelopment of the Opera House (and
that was astronomic!).

--
Paul Terry

Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
wrote:
These sort of things make me laugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4227212.stm

Strangely enough it doesn't mention Leicester Sq so I assume that
that station is equally overcrowded and can't cope. Perhaps Ken
could introduce a congestion charge or even pay for escalators.


You'd make yourself look less of a prat if you had bothered to read
the article and to understand it.
Ok my understanding is that TfL are encouraging passngers not to use
Covent Garden tube at the weekend due to overcrowding.
Covent Garden is the busiest tube station that is exclusively served
by lifts.
TfL are encouraging passengers to use Charing Cross, Embankment and
Holburn (but strangely not Leicester Sq).


The opening paragraph states "Transport chiefs are urging people to
reduce congestion at Covent Garden Tube station by using other forms
of travel".

Is my understanding ok, what have I not understood?

If your level of understanding is such why does the story make you laugh?
So why shouldn't that make me laugh. Do we need to get the permission
of the Newsgroup police to find soemthing amusing now.
No comment then on a situation where passengers are being expected not
to use the closest public transport due to, well erh, congestion.
Really inspires confidence that we have the Olympics in 7 years time.

Kevin