On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:40:15 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:56:14 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote:

There always turns out to be considerable subtext to this sort of
thing. Let's see what emerges. I'll almost guarantee she had an
agenda.

I'd be willing to lay money on her Oyster not having been read properly
(perhaps because she didn't touch it flat to the disc) and the driver
not having called her back, given the 94 is a "normal" Double Decker
route.

I'd further suggest that she was given the option of paying the £20
Penalty Fare, declined to do so, failed to pay within 21 days, and
*that* is why TfL are taking her to Court.

This was in the 'Standard' on Monday. It said: "neither the machine
nor the driver warned her the payment had apparently failed." Reading
between the lines, that suggested she _didn't_ get a green light, but
she still boarded, without querying it with the driver. Saying, "the
machine didn't warn me," is lame.


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Nick Cooper

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Hi Nick

Long time no hear. I'd forgotten that you'd moved down south to London.
Must go for a drink some time.

Jerry Alderson
(also at virgin dot net.)

"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...

This was in the 'Standard' on Monday. It said: "neither the machine
nor the driver warned her the payment had apparently failed." Reading
between the lines, that suggested she _didn't_ get a green light, but
she still boarded, without querying it with the driver.

Surely if something is not right, it is the driver's responsibility to
inform the passenger? Where in anything available to public when one
purchases a ticket on Oyster does it actually tell them what the different
noises when passing the card over a reader on a bus actually mean?

I know they bleep once for 'ok' and twice for comms failure/passback etc.,
but why on earth is the error noise not completely different? It's
illogical for the machine to make a noise when there is an error - silence
would be better, as the user would realise the machine has not bleeped at
them. In a world of bleeps, who can blame the passenger..

The ability to alter the noises exists - heard the bleep from users of child
passes - very different!

Saying, "the machine didn't warn me," is lame.

I disagree. Nonetheless, if it were me, I'd not have made reference to the
machine, and simply blamed the operator of said machine: the driver.

"Harry Spencer" wrote

This was in the 'Standard' on Monday. It said: "neither the machine
nor the driver warned her the payment had apparently failed." Reading
between the lines, that suggested she _didn't_ get a green light, but
she still boarded, without querying it with the driver.

Surely if something is not right, it is the driver's responsibility to
inform the passenger?

AIUI on all the bendy bus routes in London, and some others, the driver is
not responsible for fare matters. Passengers without Oyster or passes have
to buy their tickets from machines at the stops, and on bendy buses may
board at any door, not just the one by the driver. It is therefore important
that the Oyster reader maust make it clear to passengers whether or not
their Oyster has been accepted.

Peter

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

"Harry Spencer" wrote

This was in the 'Standard' on Monday. It said: "neither the machine
nor the driver warned her the payment had apparently failed." Reading
between the lines, that suggested she _didn't_ get a green light, but
she still boarded, without querying it with the driver.

Surely if something is not right, it is the driver's responsibility to
inform the passenger?

AIUI on all the bendy bus routes in London, and some others, the driver is
not responsible for fare matters.

Although in the quoted case, on the 94, the driver is responsible.

Passengers without Oyster or passes have
to buy their tickets from machines at the stops, and on bendy buses may
board at any door, not just the one by the driver. It is therefore
important
that the Oyster reader maust make it clear to passengers whether or not
their Oyster has been accepted.

Couldn't agree more with that.