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13:18:26 on Mon, 21 Nov 2005, d remarked:
Why on earth is this a "nanny" law? Do you even know what that means?

It means any law that requires you to do something you don't want to do,
and also any law that requires you not to do something you want to do.

So every law is a nanny law, simply put

It becomes a "nanny" law, when many of the people upon whom it impinges
cannot understand why. But "nanny knows best".

That distinguishes it from those laws where almost everyone can see why
they exist.
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Roland Perry

MIG wrote:
d wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
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N.I.B. wrote:
d wrote:
"N.I.B." wrote in message
It means any law that requires you to do something you don't want
to do, and also any law that requires you not to do something you
want to do.

So every law is a nanny law, simply put


Precisely!

Including those that forbid theft (in all forms) and acts of
violence?

Apparently so, as it ****es off thieves and violent types.


Does the concept of "theft" exist outside of the laws which prevent
things being acquired in certain circumstances (unlike violence, which
might be legal)?

I mean, you might be violent whether it was legal or not, but you
couldn't be a thief unless the law forbade you to acquire the thing
you were acquiring in the circumstances.

In a culture on individual (as opposed to community) ownership then "yes" is
surely the answer otherwise a formal law would never have come into
existence.

If the culture is one of shared ownership (i.e. everyone has free use of
everything) then there surely can be no such thing as theft, unless someone
deprives the community of its use.

My thoughts only, does anyone have any different ideas?

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13:39:02 on Mon, 21 Nov 2005, d remarked:
Do you even know which century you're in?? Seemingly
not.

21st, which is where railways need to be - in recognising
that people have a need to use mobile phones.

No, they *want* to be able to use mobile phones. They don't *need* to,
they won't die or suffer a horrible injury if they don't use one for the
short time they're on the train. Although they may well come close if they
do use one near me too many more times..!

Ivor

In message , at 22:18:06 on Mon, 21 Nov
2005, Ivor Jones remarked:
Do you even know which century you're in?? Seemingly
not.

21st, which is where railways need to be - in recognising
that people have a need to use mobile phones.

No, they *want* to be able to use mobile phones. They don't *need* to,
they won't die or suffer a horrible injury if they don't use one for the
short time they're on the train.

I think we've probably done his need/want thing to death by now. Someone
asked about what century we were in. This century, all suppliers of
goods and services should be customer-focussed. Indeed, some ToCs pay
lip service to this (eg first class lounges, on train wifi and so on).

Taking an extreme view, no-one *needs* to be allowed to read, or play
any kind of walkman/Ipod-like device, or use a laptop, or have a
conversation with another passenger. They may *think* they need to, to
make the journey bearable, or to avoid them using a different mode of
transport.

ps. What do you define as a "short time"? Under an hour? Under three
hours...
--
Roland Perry

Graeme Wall wrote:
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Andrew Yarnwood wrote:

I have a proposal for dealing with (punishing) people who make loud
business phone calls on trains (or any other public transport). ("I'm
on the train ... buy! ... sell!")

Record the calls or make some note, especially if there's anything
that sounds confidential, and publish transcripts or summaries on the
web or a newsgroup.


I recall someone on this group[1] commenting that he overheard one of his
firm's competitors talking about a major contract in such detail on the train
that his company were able to trump the loudmouth's tender.

[1] Where are you Ian Batten?

Happened to me some time ago. Figures weren't mentioned, but it was
clear a civil servant was in line for a bung. Cost the competitor a £2M
order. Moral: don't drink too much at a trade show and then get on the
train where all your rivals are also traveling.

"Andrew Yarnwood" wrote in message
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I have a proposal ....

Suggestions?

Call out Richard Griffiths.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4462350.stm