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Brockley station and the ELL extension
[crossposted to uk.transport.london - originally posted on uk.railway]
Alex Hemingway wrote: Could anyone help me with some information on the fate of Brockley station during the ELL extension works. I know that there are plans to shut the ELL for 18 months from 2007 / 2008, but what will happen to the stations from Brockley onwards on the current mainline? I'm looking to buy a house in Brockley, and I'm concerned there will be no London Bridge service for an extended period. Will the mainline services continue to run throughout the works. In fact, will there be mainline *and* ELL when the ELL opens, or just ELL? I've called ELL and Southern, but they both say they will respond in writing - I was hoping for a more immediate response! A similar question was last asked on uk.transport.london in september '05 - unfortunately none of the replies really answered the question (you can read it for yourself courtesy of the Google Groups archive [1]). I understand that both ELL *and* Southern suburban ('metro') services will call at all stations from West Croydon to New Cross Gate. I presume there will be a reduction in the number of Southern suburban trains on these slow lines that go through to London Bridge, but such services will still exist. The line between NX Gate and West Croydon will not close - the new ELL trains will essentially be mainline overground trains, thus they'll be able to run on these lines. The existing ELL is closing so changes can be made in order to bring it up to a mainline standard, so the new trains can use it (signalling systems need to be replaced etc). I guess there could be extra weekend engineering works on the NX Gate to West Croydon stretch, but it certainly isn't going to shut. If anyone has information on how the ELLX phase 1 will affect existing service patterns south of the river please speak up! [1] "A different ELLX question" uk.transport.london thread http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....37b3dc8b79d79/ |
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Brockley station and the ELL extension
Mizter T wrote:
I guess there could be extra weekend engineering works on the NX Gate to West Croydon stretch, but it certainly isn't going to shut. AFAIK the only major engineering works will be just north of NXG where a new bridge will be built over the mainline. This will presumably require more than just weekends, but the existing ELL will hopefully still be running to help people from points south to get into London (although capacity is an issue). New junctions will be built just south (I think) of NXG, but I can't see that taking longer than a weekend. |
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Brockley station and the ELL extension
Mizter T wrote: [crossposted to uk.transport.london - originally posted on uk.railway] Alex Hemingway wrote: Could anyone help me with some information on the fate of Brockley station during the ELL extension works. I know that there are plans to shut the ELL for 18 months from 2007 / 2008, but what will happen to the stations from Brockley onwards on the current mainline? I'm looking to buy a house in Brockley, and I'm concerned there will be no London Bridge service for an extended period. Will the mainline services continue to run throughout the works. In fact, will there be mainline *and* ELL when the ELL opens, or just ELL? I've called ELL and Southern, but they both say they will respond in writing - I was hoping for a more immediate response! From other people's answers it seems that you will be fine... If not, then in Brockley, particularly at the northern end, you really aren't too far from South Eastern service stations (St Johns and New Cross), which are a very viable alternative. On another note, I assume there's no intentions to ever do another 'extension' of the ELL into London Bridge from New Cross Gate, replacing the Southern service completely? It makes quite a lot of sense to me, and wouldn't be difficult to do if the ELL trains will be mainline trains anyway. |
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"SamB" wrote On another note, I assume there's no intentions to ever do another 'extension' of the ELL into London Bridge from New Cross Gate, replacing the Southern service completely? It makes quite a lot of sense to me, and wouldn't be difficult to do if the ELL trains will be mainline trains anyway. I wonder whether there was a missed opportunity, when the Bricklayers Arms branch closed, to extend the Bakerloo Line, in tunnel to B Arms, then over the branch to New Cross Gate, possibly projecting to.say, Crystal Palace. |
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SamB wrote:
On another note, I assume there's no intentions to ever do another 'extension' of the ELL into London Bridge from New Cross Gate, replacing the Southern service completely? It makes quite a lot of sense to me, and wouldn't be difficult to do if the ELL trains will be mainline trains anyway. You are right, it would not be difficult to replace mainline trains from South London to London Bridge with mainline trains from South London to London Bridge. |
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