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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5245860.stm

"The average commuter is spending more than 139 hours per year
commuting, increasing substantially for Londoners who spend the
equivalent of one whole month per year (225 hours a year) travelling to
and from work."

I accept they are talking about average times but I struggle to see how
the average is so low. My commute time is about 40 mins in the morning
and 50 in the evening and is not particularly onerous compared to those
of my immediate work colleagues most of whom travel a considerable
distance by main line rail.

My annual total, based on about 45 weeks for the working year, comes out
at 337.5 hours. While I don't know exactly how the authors of the study
calculated their numbers the implication is that there are a lot more
relatively short commuting journeys in order to drag the average down.
What are the totals for other group posters just so we can see if people
typically do have long or short trip times?

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Paul Corfield wrote:
What are the totals for other group posters just so we can see if people
typically do have long or short trip times?


About 3.5 hours a day for me, nearly 800 hours a year.

Three guys in my office (of 6) spend longer than me, the longest spends
3 hours EACH WAY from Deal to West London, 1350 hours a year.

The shortest commute is 35 minutes each way, walking from chiswick.

This is based in London. 10 years ago, my parents spent 35 minutes each
way and 22 minutes each way, now It'd probably be longer now (the short
one included M62 J11 - M62 J13, the long one was via thelwell)

OTOH my sister has a sickening 3 minute commute, she's the only one I
know that has less than half an hour each way.

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On 05/08/2006 10:14, Paul Weaver wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:

What are the totals for other group posters just so we can see if people
typically do have long or short trip times?



About 3.5 hours a day for me, nearly 800 hours a year.

Three guys in my office (of 6) spend longer than me, the longest spends
3 hours EACH WAY from Deal to West London, 1350 hours a year.

The shortest commute is 35 minutes each way, walking from chiswick.

This is based in London. 10 years ago, my parents spent 35 minutes each
way and 22 minutes each way, now It'd probably be longer now (the short
one included M62 J11 - M62 J13, the long one was via thelwell)

OTOH my sister has a sickening 3 minute commute, she's the only one I
know that has less than half an hour each way.


At *least* 90 Min in the morning and about 70 min in the evening. That's
from the Enfield area to Waterloo (Most of the time)


The morning trip is stuffed because of the lack of Waterloo & City Line
(Ohh I do hope they get it right and open on time!)

Since I work odd days/weekends and I might not go into my Waterloo
office I cant just spit out a yearly figure.

And since we are on the subject of the WL&C - I still think the LUL/TfL
are being a bit harsh not giving season ticket holders *anything* for
the closure of the drain. I (along with a lot of other people) have at
least an extra 30 - 40 mins 'delay' on the up, the down for me is much
easier as I get a good run out of the office early and can (normally)
get the LUL back to Seven Sisters instead of going via Liverpool St.


Grrr
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On 09/08/2006 15:59, Q wrote:
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At *least* 90 Min in the morning and about 70 min in the evening. That's
from the Enfield area to Waterloo (Most of the time)

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And to follow myself up - that didn't include the weekly trip I had to
make to Leeds, or the fortnightly trip I made to Bristol both for work.
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Paul Corfield wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5245860.stm

"The average commuter is spending more than 139 hours per year
commuting, increasing substantially for Londoners who spend the
equivalent of one whole month per year (225 hours a year) travelling to
and from work."

I accept they are talking about average times but I struggle to see how
the average is so low. My commute time is about 40 mins in the morning
and 50 in the evening and is not particularly onerous compared to those
of my immediate work colleagues most of whom travel a considerable
distance by main line rail.

My annual total, based on about 45 weeks for the working year, comes out
at 337.5 hours. While I don't know exactly how the authors of the study
calculated their numbers the implication is that there are a lot more
relatively short commuting journeys in order to drag the average down.
What are the totals for other group posters just so we can see if people
typically do have long or short trip times?


Around 100 minutes a day for me: 50 each way Norbiton - St James's Park
and back, including a walk, 2 trains and one Tube.

Cheers

Steve M


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On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:16:00 +0100, Steve M
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Around 100 minutes a day for me: 50 each way Norbiton - St James's Park
and back, including a walk, 2 trains and one Tube.


I'm surprised you don't go through to Vauxhall and get a 87 or 88 bus up
to Whitehall / Parliament Square (87) or Great Smith St / Marsham Street
(88). I'm guessing you change at Clapham Junction to Victoria and then
battle on to the District Line.

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Paul Corfield wrote:
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Around 100 minutes a day for me: 50 each way Norbiton - St James's Park
and back, including a walk, 2 trains and one Tube.


I'm surprised you don't go through to Vauxhall and get a 87 or 88 bus up
to Whitehall / Parliament Square (87) or Great Smith St / Marsham Street
(88). I'm guessing you change at Clapham Junction to Victoria and then
battle on to the District Line.


I've tried every possible combination and the Victoria route actually
works out quickest. 9 times out of 10, the following happens:

SWT arrival at CLJ: 0 mins
Southern departure from CLJ plat 12/14: (at the latest) 2 mins
Southern arrival at Victoria: 10 mins
Quick walk to District Line platforms
District Line train leaves: 14 mins
Through barriers at SJP and into office: 16 mins

Going via Vauxhall:

SWT arrival at CLJ: 0 mins
SWT departure from CLJ: 1 min
SWT arrival at Vauxhall: 7 mins
Quick walk to bus station
Bus leaves: 12 mins
Bus arrives: 20 mins
Walk to SJP and into office: 24 mins

The former works for me as it really does work, and the trains come at
pretty much the same time every day (almost to the second). I get really
frustrated when having to depend on the bus as with frequent services,
they never come at the same time each day and the journey time is
dependant on variable traffic conditions, slow boarding passengers etc.

The former also means I can usually wangle an extra 15 mins in bed,
although working above the station at SJP also helps!

Cheers

Steve M
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On Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Paul Corfield wrote:

What are the totals for other group posters just so we can see if people
typically do have long or short trip times?


20 minutes each way by bike. About the same by tube, if i'm being lazy.

In a few weeks, i'm moving, and will have a slightly longer ride and a
slightly quicker tube trip.

One of the points in the article is that people with better qualifications
have longer commutes - basically, a nice way of saying that middle-class
people choose to live in the suburbs or the country and endure Odyssean
journeys to work, and working-class people live in the actual city, near
where they work. It's probably these people who are dragging the average
down. Why it's the more highly educated sector of society acts in such an
utterly boneheaded manner, i have no idea!

tom

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On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:51:30 +0100, Tom Anderson
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Why it's the more highly educated sector of society acts in such an
utterly boneheaded manner, i have no idea!


It's not necessarily utterly boneheaded. I gave up a short commute
from New Malden to Green Park (probably around 50 minutes including a
walk from Victoria) for a longer one from Fleet (1h20m "up" and
probably 5-10 minutes longer "down", and both including a walk between
Waterloo and Green Park). All for good lifestyle reasons - I could
afford to buy somewhere in the Royal Borough, but not where I wanted
to be, and living in the city was beginning to get me down, so a move
out of town did me good.

However, I did make sure it was an easy commute and on a good line, so
it doesn't inconvenience me too much. The worst thing is I can't
easily get to work before 8.00 if I'm busy, as I much prefer starting
early to working late.

And I get time to read, which I didn't before.

However, how those people with spectacularly long and/or messy
commutes manage it is beyond me. I know moving house is expensive and
changing job not necessarily easy, but surely quality of life is worth
something.
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My annual total, based on about 45 weeks for the working year, comes out
at 337.5 hours. While I don't know exactly how the authors of the study
calculated their numbers the implication is that there are a lot more
relatively short commuting journeys in order to drag the average down.
What are the totals for other group posters just so we can see if people
typically do have long or short trip times?


Mine works out at 562.5 hours per year.
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