TfL have announced their branding plans for the North London Railway
concession:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=886
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5316358.stm

Rather than opting for the brown "Rail" roundel, the branding scheme is
an orange (!) "Overground" scheme - not to be confused with South
London's "Overground Network" branding.

Trains and signs will have an orange trim, there will be an Overground
roundel almost identical to the Underground one but with an orange
circle (and obviously the different word).

The hidden news in the press release (which is probably more important
than anything else) is that the onward northern extension to Highbury
has been brought forward to Phase 1 (small print at the bottom: "The
Mayor today made a commitment that Phase 1 of the East London Line
Project would be extended from Dalston Junction to Highbury & Islington,
in order to make a connection with the North London Railway").

Going back to the branding, all "Overground" lines will appear on the
Tube map, which TfL has released a sample of for 2010. Interestingly,
the line style (white centre with orange edges) looks much like the old
style used to show selected British Rail lines (like Thameslink and the
NLL) about fifteen years ago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf

That map throws up a few extra bits of information by itself, such as:
- Dalston Junction is considered an interchange with Kingsland (so let's
hope they put some good signs up along Kingsland High Street)
- No plans yet for stations on Phase 2 at either Brixton or Loughborough
Junction (perhaps unsurprising given the cost)
- Carpenders Park, Bushey, Watford High St and Watford Junction look
like they'll be moved into Zone A
- Shepherd's Bush H&C becomes Shepherd's Bush Market, White City H&C
will be Wood Lane, and won't be an advertised interchange with the
Central line (although that might just be an oversight)

Oh, and at what point is it easier to mark out stations that *aren't*
step-free? East London looks like a bit of a mess (albeit a good one if
you don't use steps).

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf

That map throws up a few extra bits of information by itself, such as:
- Dalston Junction is considered an interchange with Kingsland (so let's
hope they put some good signs up along Kingsland High Street)
- No plans yet for stations on Phase 2 at either Brixton or Loughborough
Junction (perhaps unsurprising given the cost)
- Carpenders Park, Bushey, Watford High St and Watford Junction look
like they'll be moved into Zone A
- Shepherd's Bush H&C becomes Shepherd's Bush Market, White City H&C
will be Wood Lane, and won't be an advertised interchange with the
Central line (although that might just be an oversight)


Also:
* no plans to move Hampstead Heath or Willesden into Zone 2 (although
this may be oversight: I'm sure the former was part of TfL's original
commitment on taking over NLR).

* no plans to transfer the DC lines to LUL or run the Queens Park to
Stratford service.

* lifts appearing at Euston Square, Paddington (District), Highbury &
Islington, Tottenham Hale, Waterloo (Northern) and Vauxhall.

I guess in Highbury they're going to reanimate the old Tube station and
use its lift shafts - although that hardly provides much of an
interchange with the Overground platforms.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf

That map throws up a few extra bits of information by itself, such as:
- Dalston Junction is considered an interchange with Kingsland (so let's
hope they put some good signs up along Kingsland High Street)
- No plans yet for stations on Phase 2 at either Brixton or Loughborough
Junction (perhaps unsurprising given the cost)
- Carpenders Park, Bushey, Watford High St and Watford Junction look
like they'll be moved into Zone A
- Shepherd's Bush H&C becomes Shepherd's Bush Market, White City H&C
will be Wood Lane, and won't be an advertised interchange with the
Central line (although that might just be an oversight)


Also:
* no plans to move Hampstead Heath or Willesden into Zone 2 (although
this may be oversight: I'm sure the former was part of TfL's original
commitment on taking over NLR).

* no plans to transfer the DC lines to LUL or run the Queens Park to
Stratford service.

I had the impression that the DC / Bakerloo plan was a longer-term thing
than 2010, but I can't check on my own site because it's broken at the
moment!

As for QP to Stratford, who knows - the variety of different service
patterns appearing from TfL and Network Rail is mind-boggling. Perhaps
the QP service is something that would appear from 2011 when the second
phase of NLR operations is supposed to come into play (says TfL
according to Network Rail...) - which might coincide with the DC
handover plan so that South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road retain a
service.


* lifts appearing at Euston Square, Paddington (District), Highbury &
Islington, Tottenham Hale, Waterloo (Northern) and Vauxhall.

I guess in Highbury they're going to reanimate the old Tube station and
use its lift shafts - although that hardly provides much of an
interchange with the Overground platforms.



--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On 5 Sep 2006 08:57:44 -0700, "John B" wrote:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square, Paddington (District), Highbury &
Islington, Tottenham Hale, Waterloo (Northern) and Vauxhall.

Tottenham Hale is already step free - the lift has been in service for
years.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 5 Sep 2006 08:57:44 -0700, "John B" wrote:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square, Paddington (District), Highbury &
Islington, Tottenham Hale, Waterloo (Northern) and Vauxhall.

Tottenham Hale is already step free - the lift has been in service for
years.

As the Victoria Line Voice Woman now reminds us every bloody time I go
through the station.

I don't know about anyone else, but her tone of voice to me on that
recording sounds awfully patronising, almost "Listen, disabled people, I
know some of you aren't very bright, so I'm going to say this very
slowly with a sense of wonder in my voice."

Sorry, it just annoys me :-)

On 5 Sep 2006 08:57:44 -0700, "John B" wrote:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square, Paddington (District), Highbury &
Islington, Tottenham Hale, Waterloo (Northern) and Vauxhall.

and Mile End.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf

That map throws up a few extra bits of information by itself, such
as:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square

I haven't used Euston Square since they rebuilt it, but surely the new
station has either lifts or ramps!

John Rowland wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf

That map throws up a few extra bits of information by itself, such
as:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square

I haven't used Euston Square since they rebuilt it, but surely the new
station has either lifts or ramps!

Well, the entrance from the street under the new Wellcome building,
might have a lift (entrance not open yet), but the building work hasn't
affected the stairs from the ticket office down to the platforms.

This 'rebuild' is actually just a replacement of the entrance on the
south side of Euston Road, due to the Wellcome building works.

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
TfL have announced their branding plans for the North London Railway
concession:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=886
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5316358.stm

Rather than opting for the brown "Rail" roundel, the branding scheme is an
orange (!) "Overground" scheme - not to be confused with South London's
"Overground Network" branding.

Trains and signs will have an orange trim, there will be an Overground
roundel almost identical to the Underground one but with an orange circle
(and obviously the different word).

The hidden news in the press release (which is probably more important
than anything else) is that the onward northern extension to Highbury has
been brought forward to Phase 1 (small print at the bottom: "The Mayor
today made a commitment that Phase 1 of the East London Line Project would
be extended from Dalston Junction to Highbury & Islington, in order to
make a connection with the North London Railway").

Going back to the branding, all "Overground" lines will appear on the Tube
map, which TfL has released a sample of for 2010. Interestingly, the line
style (white centre with orange edges) looks much like the old style used
to show selected British Rail lines (like Thameslink and the NLL) about
fifteen years ago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf


This isn't where you're going with the topic, but I wonder why the FCC line
between Finsbury Park and Moorgate isn't included.

jim

Jim wrote:

Going back to the branding, all "Overground" lines will appear on the Tube
map, which TfL has released a sample of for 2010. Interestingly, the line
style (white centre with orange edges) looks much like the old style used
to show selected British Rail lines (like Thameslink and the NLL) about
fifteen years ago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf


This isn't where you're going with the topic, but I wonder why the FCC line
between Finsbury Park and Moorgate isn't included.


I think TfL is keen to make the distinction between "London Overground"
- ie the lines that TfL controls and that it will franchise to London
Underground standards of frequency, staffing, etc under a common
Underground-style brand - and National Rail in general.

Side note - a couple of interesting pics on the TfL press centre,
including mock-ups of the London Overground Electrostars:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...ry/gallery.asp

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org