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June 26th 07, 09:16 PM
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... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it. Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits like the national trainset. Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV generated taxes. I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on accommodating HGVs. |
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#32
June 26th 07, 09:25 PM
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allan tracy wrote:
... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it. Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits like the national trainset. Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV generated taxes. I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on accommodating HGVs. at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way around. |
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#33
June 26th 07, 09:29 PM
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"NM" wrote in message ... allan tracy wrote: ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it. Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits like the national trainset. Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV generated taxes. I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on accommodating HGVs. at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way around. Evidence? Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was reduced a few years ago you may recall. |
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#34
June 26th 07, 09:33 PM
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Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message ... allan tracy wrote: ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it. Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits like the national trainset. Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV generated taxes. I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on accommodating HGVs. at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way around. Evidence? Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was reduced a few years ago you may recall. Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's about 10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road system is ??? |
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#35
June 26th 07, 09:42 PM
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"NM" wrote in message news  Brimstone wrote: "NM" wrote in message ... allan tracy wrote: ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it. Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits like the national trainset. Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV generated taxes. I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on accommodating HGVs. at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way around. Evidence? Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was reduced a few years ago you may recall. Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's about 10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road system is ??? When your working it out (not forgetting the cash spent by local authorities on loal roads some of which comes from Counil Tax), don't forget all the associated costs will you? |
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#36
June 26th 07, 09:42 PM
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Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message news Brimstone wrote: "NM" wrote in message ... allan tracy wrote: ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it. Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits like the national trainset. Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV generated taxes. I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on accommodating HGVs. at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way around. Evidence? Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was reduced a few years ago you may recall. Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's about 10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road system is ??? When your working it out (not forgetting the cash spent by local authorities on loal roads some of which comes from Counil Tax), don't forget all the associated costs will you? What makes you think I'm going to work it out. |
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#37
June 26th 07, 09:47 PM
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:44:00 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote: Why? Because it would cost a lot more than using road vehicles. Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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#38
June 26th 07, 09:48 PM
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"NM" wrote in message ... Brimstone wrote: "NM" wrote in message news Brimstone wrote: "NM" wrote in message ... allan tracy wrote: ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it. Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits like the national trainset. Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV generated taxes. I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on accommodating HGVs. at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way around. Evidence? Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was reduced a few years ago you may recall. Back of a fag packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's about 10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road system is ??? When your working it out (not forgetting the cash spent by local authorities on loal roads some of which comes from Counil Tax), don't forget all the associated costs will you? What makes you think I'm going to work it out. You've already started, or like so many in road haulage, you give up when things get difficult? |
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#39
June 26th 07, 09:48 PM
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"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:44:00 +0100, "Brimstone" wrote: Why? Because it would cost a lot more than using road vehicles. Evidence? |
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#40
June 26th 07, 10:34 PM
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"Conor" wrote in message ... In article , NM says... Brimstone wrote: The year before 21 cyclists were killed, nine involved lorries and in 2004 four of eight accidents in which cyclists were killed involved lorries. To get a balance here we need to know how many lorry drivers were killed by cyclists in the same period. :-) No idea but I suspect a few had a cardio episode from cycling. or maybe more had cardio episodes from not cycling .. |
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