NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.


So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has
been significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any
measure.
Or an indication that they were set too high, a sizeable proportion of
the UK fleet flagged out and Gorgon relented in the face of
unpresented opposition. That's the reality, subsidy is not even part
of the equation, the increases were just a stealth tax too far and
HMG didn't want another fuel tax type blocade.

As usual, the government bottled out and caved in to the road lobby.

Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.


So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.
Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has
been significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any
measure.
Or an indication that they were set too high, a sizeable proportion of
the UK fleet flagged out and Gorgon relented in the face of
unpresented opposition. That's the reality, subsidy is not even part
of the equation, the increases were just a stealth tax too far and
HMG didn't want another fuel tax type blocade.

As usual, the government bottled out and caved in to the road lobby.


They realised that it was a tax too far, so where is the subsidy for my
lorry?

Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.


So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has been
significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any measure.


No, it merely means a reduced level of legalised extortion.

--
Moving things in still pictures!

Brimstone wrote:

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

You've been shown, you're already getting it. Unlike other
industries, road haulage is so cossetted it doesn't even have to
apply for subsidy, it gets it without having to ask.

So in fact there is no evidence, merely your groundless opinion that
trucks don't pay their way.

Taxation on lorries in particular and road vehicles in general has been
significantly reduced in recent years. That's subsidy by any measure.

Let's see...

"Stick your hands up. I've got a knife and I'm not scared to use it.
"Now... slowly... give me exactly £39.
"You're lucky on this occasion. Yesterday, I recall that I robbed you
of £40.
"By only taking £39 today, I'm subsidising you."

Yeah, right.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:39:00AM +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:
Two lorries will be parked in Trafalgar Square, central London, to
allow other road users to see first hand how limited a lorry
driver's vision is.
If their vision is that limited, why are they allowed on the roads?

Because you and all the whinging cyclists have yet to come up with
anything better.

--
David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders"

comparative and superlative explained:

Huhn worse, worser, worsest, worsted, wasted

As usual, the government bottled out and caved in to the road lobby.

They realised that it was a tax too far, so where is the subsidy for my
lorry


During the fuel blockade the DfT did point out that HGV taxes in total
only cover half their direct infrastructure costs.

Round my way, the M6 has spent the best part of thirty years falling
apart thanks to HGVs and interestingly the privately run M6 toll road
has a deliberate policy of rationing HGV access by price.

The HGV lobby are always bleating on about the high tolls, without the
penny dropping, that actually the toll road just doesn't want their
business - now I wonder why that should be?

In article .com,
allan tracy says...

Large HGVs are designed for motorways not the urban environment where
they can be routinely seen to mount pavements and generally fail to
fit into the road space provided.

Only because ****s in cars park inconsiderately (BIG CLUE: LOADING BAYS
AREN'T FOR CARS) and car driving morons working in poxy back streets
order stuff to be delivered on a vehicle that won't fit.

The RHA is for ever bleating on about 95% of goods being moved by road
but then their competitors would never be allowed to get away with the
**** HGVs do so it's hardly surprising is it.

Like the illegal hours train drivers were being forced to work to the
point they were thinking about striking?

Like the latest scare about airline pilots falling asleep at the
controls or pulling the flaps lever instead of the landing gear lever?

At every level the aviation and rail industry surpasses the HGV
industry on safety reliability and general adherence to the rules and
a fat lot of good it does them too, when they're undercut on price by
a bunch of cowboys working ninety hours a week on overloaded badly
maintained lorries.

VOSA disagrees with you.


--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

In article .com,
allan tracy says...

What has this got to do with making other road users aware of the limited
sightlines from the driving seat of a lorry?

My point precisely, they're just not fit to be used in an urban
environment and in any other industry wouldn't be allowed to.

No problem. I'm sure you have no issue with your local area being
blocked solid by Transits.


--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

In article , Neil Williams
says...
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:11:44 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

So how would you see urban deliveries? A rail head at every
supermarket and high street perhaps?

Why not?

Completely unrealistic. However, there may be some mileage in using a
larger number of smaller vehicles for local distribution, be that from
rail or road.

Of course. Because 26 Ford Transits[1] driving from the DC to your
local Tesco several times a day take up far less room than an artic
don't they?

[1] 26 Transits being the number required to shift one artic load

--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

In article .com,
says...

Although railfreight has been growing for the last ten years mainly
due to the failure of the road system to deliver reliability. ASDA,
Morrisons, Tesco and Sainsburys have been turning to rail increasingly
for the long stuff.

Wrong.

EDDIE STOBART who runs the warehousing at either end on behalf of the
above has turned to railfreight because Stobarts have their own
railheads and goods trains. Sending loads to Scotch by rail allows
Stobarts to free up lorries to go do other work such as the new Tesco
white goods RDC they're opening up at Goole.

Believe me, lorry journeys haven't been reduced by Stobarts putting
stuff onto rail.

--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........