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North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011
Pyromancer wrote:
On 4 Jul, 16:23, Kev wrote: Why don't they go the whole way and remove all the seats. Just when I thought that it might be worth using the NLL. ISTR the original coaches of the Cathcart Circle had no seats, so more people could get on, so it's been done before. I don't really see what all the fuss is about. 376s have been plying their trade very successfully on Southeastern for the last three years - the proposed 378 is not that significantly different. I'd rather stand on a purpose-designed 378 with plenty of grab-rails than on a wedged 313 with virtually none. |
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North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011
On Jul 4, 7:27 pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
Pyromancer wrote: On 4 Jul, 16:23, Kev wrote: Why don't they go the whole way and remove all the seats. Just when I thought that it might be worth using the NLL. ISTR the original coaches of the Cathcart Circle had no seats, so more people could get on, so it's been done before. I don't really see what all the fuss is about. 376s have been plying their trade very successfully on Southeastern for the last three years - the proposed 378 is not that significantly different. I'd rather stand on a purpose-designed 378 with plenty of grab-rails than on a wedged 313 with virtually none. I use 376s frequently and, unlike the intelligently refurbished 455s on SWT, they are an appalling realisation of a generally good idea. The space is made unusable by chunky obstructions and a neglect of the fact that two people with legs can't lean at right angles to each other. And they were purpose-designed for standing in with hardly any handholds (until some were eventually added). |
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North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011
MIG wrote:
I use 376s frequently and, unlike the intelligently refurbished 455s on SWT, they are an appalling realisation of a generally good idea. The space is made unusable by chunky obstructions and a neglect of the fact that two people with legs can't lean at right angles to each other. And they were purpose-designed for standing in with hardly any handholds (until some were eventually added). I must admit that I generally only use them off-peak, as a result of which I hadn't noticed the problem with fully occupied seating. When I have used them in the peak I don't even try to sit - I prefer to stand. I certainly find them acceptable at those times but I agree that, as delivered, there was a woeful lack of grab-rails. To South Eastern and Bombardier's credit, they resolved that problem quite quickly. The only complaint that I do still have is regarding the perch seats adjacent to the door areas. For some reason perch cushions are provided at ninety degrees to each other, one on the inner body skin and the other on the back of the seat nearest the window, meaning that when one is in use it is impossible for the other to be used, which seems rather pointless! |
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North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011
On Jul 4, 11:20 pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
MIG wrote: I use 376s frequently and, unlike the intelligently refurbished 455s on SWT, they are an appalling realisation of a generally good idea. The space is made unusable by chunky obstructions and a neglect of the fact that two people with legs can't lean at right angles to each other. And they were purpose-designed for standing in with hardly any handholds (until some were eventually added). I must admit that I generally only use them off-peak, as a result of which I hadn't noticed the problem with fully occupied seating. When I have used them in the peak I don't even try to sit - I prefer to stand. I certainly find them acceptable at those times but I agree that, as delivered, there was a woeful lack of grab-rails. To South Eastern and Bombardier's credit, they resolved that problem quite quickly. The only complaint that I do still have is regarding the perch seats adjacent to the door areas. For some reason perch cushions are provided at ninety degrees to each other, one on the inner body skin and the other on the back of the seat nearest the window, meaning that when one is in use it is impossible for the other to be used, which seems rather pointless! Yeah, that's what I meant about leaning at right-angles to each other if both people have legs. They would be much better without the transverse chunky bit and withouth the huge chunky ridge either side of the door bay which limits the perch space along the edge to about one and a half bums (therefore one, unless people are very friendly), when the space from doors to seats would easily allow two bums if it wasn't for that obstruction. Even better, there could be two flip-up seats. I think that a leaning person's legs splay out further than feet tucked under a seat, particularly when the tilt-like profile of the coaches prevents leaning back to balance. |
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