wrote:


"The following changes were made to the allocation of rolling stock:
* The IKF class 376 fleet was increased by 30 vehicles by increasing
train length from five-car to six-car; and
* Ten additional 3-car class 508s were transferred to Merseyrail from
IKF"

I haven't seen this suggested anywhere else in discussion forums but
would presumably institute a rolling-stock cascade on the IKF
franchise. Why not 36 coaches for 36 376 units and 12 508s then
spare?


Although there are twelve 508s in the south-east, two of them are never
likely to run again. I had presumed that this accounted for the
difference in the numbers. No 508s will be remaining with SET.








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Bob

On 25 Jul, 10:36, "Bob Wood" wrote:
wrote:
"The following changes were made to the allocation of rolling stock:
* The IKF class 376 fleet was increased by 30 vehicles by increasing
train length from five-car to six-car; and
* Ten additional 3-car class 508s were transferred to Merseyrail from
IKF"

I haven't seen this suggested anywhere else in discussion forums but
would presumably institute a rolling-stock cascade on the IKF
franchise. Why not 36 coaches for 36 376 units and 12 508s then
spare?

Although there are twelve 508s in the south-east, two of them are never
likely to run again. I had presumed that this accounted for the
difference in the numbers. No 508s will be remaining with SET.

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Bob

508 212 is obviously unlikely to run again - which is the other? 204?
How does this cascade work anway? 376s are extended to run 6 or 12
coach trains - presumably this only frees up 465s/466s to displace
375s and hence 508s if the service is thinned at the same time.

Alternatively, is it more about leasing costs - the cost of the extra
class 376 carriages is offset by releasing the 508s. The 375s to
directly replace 508s in service come from the introduction of 395s.
At the same time, will 12-coach networker finally happen?

Jonathan

On Jul 24, 3:50 pm, wrote:

One of the supporting documents for the HLOS mentions the following
permutation which could impact on the requirement for 375/6s.

From page 8 of the NMF/HLOS Evidence Pack - NMF Baseline Timetable

(2009/10):

http://www.dft.gov.uk/about/strategy...apercm7176/rai...

"The following changes were made to the allocation of rolling stock:
* The IKF class 376 fleet was increased by 30 vehicles by increasing
train length from five-car to six-car; and
* Ten additional 3-car class 508s were transferred to Merseyrail from
IKF"



I read the 376 there as a typo for 395 - because of the 508 statement,
they are talking about what has happened, not what will happen.

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Nick

D7666 wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:45 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

What is known is that dual voltage Electrostars are already cleared
over the existing TL route - and apart from 319s they are the only
type that is so cleared.

Interesting, when we were having a discussion on (electric) buses and
tunnels [1], Clive Feather posted details from sectional appendices
covering the thamelink route, and they suggested that electrostars were
permitted Blackfriars - Farringdon, but not (Moorgate -) Farringdon -
Kentish Town, for the latter, only 317 and 319 were listed as permitted.

[1] subject was "EMUs on Thameslink" if you want to google it

Robin

On Jul 25, 5:58 am, "R.C. Payne" wrote:

Interesting, when we were having a discussion on (electric) buses and
tunnels [1], Clive Feather posted details from sectional appendices
covering the thamelink route, and they suggested that electrostars were
permitted Blackfriars - Farringdon, but not (Moorgate -) Farringdon -
Kentish Town, for the latter, only 317 and 319 were listed as permitted.

[1] subject was "EMUs on Thameslink" if you want to google it

I recall the thread.

And 377s are cleared - they were so cleared about 2-3 years ago when
test runs were made with 377/2 when Bedford depot opened. Under GoVia,
the plan was Bedford would take on certain 377 maintenance after the
KX tunnel block was lifted. Since then TL changed hands.

It is not unknown for Sectional Appendices to have errors and
omissions.

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Nick

On 25 Jul, 14:10, D7666 wrote:
On Jul 25, 5:58 am, "R.C. Payne" wrote:

Interesting, when we were having a discussion on (electric) buses and
tunnels [1], Clive Feather posted details from sectional appendices
covering the thamelink route, and they suggested that electrostars were
permitted Blackfriars - Farringdon, but not (Moorgate -) Farringdon -
Kentish Town, for the latter, only 317 and 319 were listed as permitted.

[1] subject was "EMUs on Thameslink" if you want to google it

I recall the thread.

And 377s are cleared - they were so cleared about 2-3 years ago when
test runs were made with 377/2 when Bedford depot opened. Under GoVia,
the plan was Bedford would take on certain 377 maintenance after the
KX tunnel block was lifted. Since then TL changed hands.

It is not unknown for Sectional Appendices to have errors and
omissions.

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Nick

Latest sectional appendix (NR electronic version) shows clearance for
all 377s.

Cheers

Peter

On Jul 25, 7:01 am, puffernutter wrote:

Latest sectional appendix (NR electronic version) shows clearance for
all 377s.

TY for confirm.

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Nick

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:45:17 -0500, David Buttery
wrote:

Bob wrote in news:1185005123.278372.140640@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

snip
Another industry source said the 30-year rail plan would put emphasis
on developing the country's light rail network, including trams
snip

I'm sure the people of Leeds will be delighted to hear this...

They're getting trolleybuses instead, apparently.....

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Regards

Mike
mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Mike Roebuck wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:45:17 -0500, David Buttery
wrote:

Bob wrote in news:1185005123.278372.140640@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

snip
Another industry source said the 30-year rail plan would put emphasis
on developing the country's light rail network, including trams
snip

I'm sure the people of Leeds will be delighted to hear this...

They're getting trolleybuses instead, apparently.....

The word on the street is that the DfT is looking to cut back again, and
they're actually just going to get shopping trolleys.

tom

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You have to give up

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:28:53 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Mike Roebuck wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:45:17 -0500, David Buttery
wrote:

Bob wrote in news:1185005123.278372.140640@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

snip
Another industry source said the 30-year rail plan would put emphasis
on developing the country's light rail network, including trams
snip

I'm sure the people of Leeds will be delighted to hear this...

They're getting trolleybuses instead, apparently.....

The word on the street is that the DfT is looking to cut back again, and
they're actually just going to get shopping trolleys.

g

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Regards

Mike
mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet