On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

(b) The way things are drawn around Drayton Park shows the Moorgate
tube joining the Canonbury Curve at Drayton Park, before going on to
Finsbury Park. I was wondering if there were actually two parallel
routes here - tube and surface - but the maps suggests not.

It's just simplified. The old route would have run alongside the Canonbury
Curve on the surface before going into the underground platforms at Finsbury
Park.

So it was four-track around Drayton Park? GN&CR alongside GN/NLL?

But since we know that there was a link from the mainline to this line,
the story about the GN&CR being hobbled by terminating in deep
platforms doesn't quite make sense, and i'm confused all over again.

The connection wasn't suitable for regular use, although I'd love if
anyone had info on its exact nature.

But John Band said there were 16 trains doing GN - Broad Street in the
peaks! That's probably 8 tph, which seems decent. Now, that was from the
GN to the Canonbury Curve (well, the bit north of the curve proper - the
Canonbury Straight?), but all it would take is a pair of crossovers south
of the junction with the mainline to get those trains onto the GN&CR.

(c) The map shows a Gillespie Road station on the GN&CR. I know there's one
on the Piccadilly (currently called Arsenal), but is it true that there was
a stop on the big railway too, or is that a mistake?

Mistake.

Oh well.

There appears to be a station at the south end of Victoria Bridge. Is that
so? It seems like a very good idea. When was it got rid of?

Grosvenor Road station. It closed for good in 1911, though one of the
buildings is still there.

Aha. Cheers.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
But John Band said there were 16 trains doing GN - Broad Street in the
peaks! That's probably 8 tph, which seems decent. Now, that was from the
GN to the Canonbury Curve (well, the bit north of the curve proper - the
Canonbury Straight?), but all it would take is a pair of crossovers
south of the junction with the mainline to get those trains onto the GN&CR.

The GN&CR is in a deep cutting at this point, presumably deep enough to
go under the Canonbury Curve tracks to reach the old deep-level station.
Building a connection would have been (and apparently was) a major project.

U

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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

But John Band said there were 16 trains doing GN - Broad Street in the
peaks! That's probably 8 tph, which seems decent. Now, that was from
the GN to the Canonbury Curve (well, the bit north of the curve proper
- the Canonbury Straight?), but all it would take is a pair of
crossovers south of the junction with the mainline to get those trains
onto the GN&CR.

The GN&CR is in a deep cutting at this point, presumably deep enough to
go under the Canonbury Curve tracks to reach the old deep-level station.
Building a connection would have been (and apparently was) a major
project.

Aaaah, okay. So the original Drayton Park on the GN&CR was at the bottom
of a cutting, with tubes at either end going to Moorgate and Finsbury
Park. Yes, that stitches it up pretty tight!

tom

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(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Mr Thant wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

But John Band said there were 16 trains doing GN - Broad Street
in the peaks! That's probably 8 tph, which seems decent. Now,
that was from the GN to the Canonbury Curve (well, the bit north
of the curve proper - the Canonbury Straight?), but all it would
take is a pair of crossovers south of the junction with the
mainline to get those trains onto the GN&CR.

The GN&CR is in a deep cutting at this point, presumably deep
enough to go under the Canonbury Curve tracks to reach the old
deep-level station. Building a connection would have been (and
apparently was) a major project.

Aaaah, okay. So the original Drayton Park on the GN&CR was at the
bottom of a cutting, with tubes at either end going to Moorgate and
Finsbury Park. Yes, that stitches it up pretty tight!

The present Drayton Park station is the original in the original cutting.

The Canonbury Curve route is, as it always has been, on the surface
nearby.

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