On 6 Nov, 21:07, (Neil Williams) wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:17:09 -0800, lonelytraveller

wrote:
That's no excuse. That's no justification for it being designed the
way it is rather than something more pleasant.

I'd rather it was like that than freezing, smelly (OK, that's the
diesel) Paddington, for example.

The train shed in Euston is just as freezing and smelly. The "shops
area" in paddington is no more freezing or smelly than the hall in
Euston, and probably is actually warmer as its fully enclosed.

On 7 Nov, 19:39, lonelytraveller
wrote:
I'd rather it was like that than freezing, smelly (OK, that's the
diesel) Paddington, for example.

The train shed in Euston is just as freezing and smelly. The "shops
area" in paddington is no more freezing or smelly than the hall in
Euston, and probably is actually warmer as its fully enclosed.

That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On 7 Nov, 19:06, John B wrote:
On 7 Nov, 19:39, lonelytraveller

wrote:
I'd rather it was like that than freezing, smelly (OK, that's the
diesel) Paddington, for example.

The train shed in Euston is just as freezing and smelly. The "shops
area" in paddington is no more freezing or smelly than the hall in
Euston, and probably is actually warmer as its fully enclosed.

That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

On 8 Nov, 09:18, lonelytraveller
wrote:
That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.

(presumably the people waiting in the suburban shed at Euston are
doing so because it's the only way they can guarantee a seat when the
next train arrives. the suburban bit of Euston is the least well-
designed IMO)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On 8 Nov, 08:37, John B wrote:
On 8 Nov, 09:18, lonelytraveller





wrote:
That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.

I agree. Euston is nice because it doesn't feel like a station while
you wait. The trains are kept out of the way, and the whole place
feels more like a shopping mall.


(presumably the people waiting in the suburban shed at Euston are
doing so because it's the only way they can guarantee a seat when the
next train arrives. the suburban bit of Euston is the least well-
designed IMO)

Still better designed than the suburban platforms at Paddington.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:18:08 -0800, lonelytraveller wrote:

On 7 Nov, 19:06, John B wrote:
On 7 Nov, 19:39, lonelytraveller

wrote:
I'd rather it was like that than freezing, smelly (OK, that's the
diesel) Paddington, for example.

The train shed in Euston is just as freezing and smelly. The "shops
area" in paddington is no more freezing or smelly than the hall in
Euston, and probably is actually warmer as its fully enclosed.

That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other.

Didn't you just say one side was freezing and smelly?

On 8 Nov, 18:41, asdf wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:18:08 -0800, lonelytraveller wrote:
On 7 Nov, 19:06, John B wrote:
On 7 Nov, 19:39, lonelytraveller

wrote:
I'd rather it was like that than freezing, smelly (OK, that's the
diesel) Paddington, for example.

The train shed in Euston is just as freezing and smelly. The "shops
area" in paddington is no more freezing or smelly than the hall in
Euston, and probably is actually warmer as its fully enclosed.

That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other.

Didn't you just say one side was freezing and smelly?


I never described either side as freezing or smelly. Even if the train
side was freezing and smelly, that wouldn't exactly justify not being
on the other side of the glass wall.

On 8 Nov, 12:06, "
wrote:
On 8 Nov, 08:37, John B wrote:



On 8 Nov, 09:18, lonelytraveller

wrote:
That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.
I agree. Euston is nice because it doesn't feel like a station while
you wait. The trains are kept out of the way, and the whole place
feels more like a shopping mall.
It feels like a carpark. What's so good about feeling like a shopping
mall anyway? when did they become the height of culture.

(presumably the people waiting in the suburban shed at Euston are
doing so because it's the only way they can guarantee a seat when the
next train arrives. the suburban bit of Euston is the least well-
designed IMO)
Still better designed than the suburban platforms at Paddington.
You mean the ones that crossrail will render redundant?

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.
Are you trying to claim that you can't see through clear glass?

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:37:21 -0800, John B wrote:

On 8 Nov, 09:18, lonelytraveller
wrote:
That's a disingenuous argument.

If someone goes to Paddington, buys a ticket and waits for a train,
they end up spending their time in the freezing, smelly train shed -
unless they make a particular effort not to.

If someone goes to Euston and does the same, they will end up waiting
on the unfreezing, unsmelly concourse [which is also fully enclosed],
and will only have to enter the train shed when they're already
walking to their train.

No, that's a disingenuous argument. There's no particular reason to
wait on one side of the glass wall than the other. Any more than
people have to wait in the suburban platforms shed at Euston, even
though they do.

Yes there is - it's where you are, and it's where the departures board
is.

There are departures screens on the other side of the glass wall.