On Feb 10, 1:00*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 10 Feb, 11:06, Bill Hayles wrote:





On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:00:04 -0000, Fig wrote:
Train 423 departs UXB 1731 runs fast through Wobbly park 1755 arrives at
Aldgate at 1828 if you're lucky.

That's the fella! Thank you.
I take it that that's the only one in the timetable then? Shame. I'm
surprised I've never stumbled upon it before in all my years of commuting
out of Uxbridge, then twice in a week!

There used to be plenty of peak hour Uxbridge trains fast from Finchley
Road to Rayners Lane in 16 minutes.

Similarly Amershams fast from Finchley Road to Moor Park. (and Watfords
fast from Finchley Road to North Harrow)

This was when the "A" stock was, like me, in its prime, and capable of
doing 60mph+ on the non stop sections.

The 1145 Saturday Liverpool Street to Amersham was a favourite -
Finchley Road dep. 1206, next stop Moor Park arr. 1226

--
Bill Hayles

Interesting stuff. Harrow on the Hill would seem to be regarded as a
more important hub nowadays - perhaps this shows the growing
importance of local traffic, rather than just whooshing people into
and out of central London. Then again, perhaps it just makes life
simpler for passengers - and as you say A-stock ain't as fast as it
used to be so maybe the current service pattern is also influenced by
what is operationally convenient.

Nonetheless I'm surprised to see that there were Watford fasts with
the first stop at North Harrow, missing a stop at Harrow on the Hill.

I'm not a Metroland man myself, and so I needed to remind myself of
the current Met service pattern - there isn't any obvious place to
look on the TfL website for this, so I used the site's search facility
(using the term "Metropolitan line") and found the line diagram was
the third in the results list, though it is far from obvious that it
is actually a map (the result was merely labelled as a PDF named
"Metropolitan line"):http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf

Perhaps this line diagram should be made easier to find and be
included on the main TfL maps page

I remember reading somewhere about why the speed was reduced. Was it
something to do with the OPO conversion?

On 10 Feb, 13:12, MIG wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:00 pm, Mizter T wrote:


On 10 Feb, 11:06, Bill Hayles wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:00:04 -0000, Fig wrote:
Train 423 departs UXB 1731 runs fast through Wobbly park 1755 arrives at
Aldgate at 1828 if you're lucky.

That's the fella! Thank you.
I take it that that's the only one in the timetable then? Shame. I'm
surprised I've never stumbled upon it before in all my years of commuting
out of Uxbridge, then twice in a week!

There used to be plenty of peak hour Uxbridge trains fast from Finchley
Road to Rayners Lane in 16 minutes.

Similarly Amershams fast from Finchley Road to Moor Park. (and Watfords
fast from Finchley Road to North Harrow)

This was when the "A" stock was, like me, in its prime, and capable of
doing 60mph+ on the non stop sections.

The 1145 Saturday Liverpool Street to Amersham was a favourite -
Finchley Road dep. 1206, next stop Moor Park arr. 1226

--
Bill Hayles

Interesting stuff. Harrow on the Hill would seem to be regarded as a
more important hub nowadays - perhaps this shows the growing
importance of local traffic, rather than just whooshing people into
and out of central London. Then again, perhaps it just makes life
simpler for passengers - and as you say A-stock ain't as fast as it
used to be so maybe the current service pattern is also influenced by
what is operationally convenient.

Nonetheless I'm surprised to see that there were Watford fasts with
the first stop at North Harrow, missing a stop at Harrow on the Hill.

I'm not a Metroland man myself, and so I needed to remind myself of
the current Met service pattern - there isn't any obvious place to
look on the TfL website for this, so I used the site's search facility
(using the term "Metropolitan line") and found the line diagram was
the third in the results list, though it is far from obvious that it
is actually a map (the result was merely labelled as a PDF named
"Metropolitan line"):http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf

Perhaps this line diagram should be made easier to find and be
included on the main TfL maps page

I remember reading somewhere about why the speed was reduced. Was it
something to do with the OPO conversion?


No. The A-stock trains are somewhat knackered and their top speed has
been reduced to 50mph - AIUI they originally had a top speed of 70mph.

In message
of
Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:00:13 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
writes

[snip]

I'm not a Metroland man myself, and so I needed to remind myself of
the current Met service pattern - there isn't any obvious place to
look on the TfL website for this, so I used the site's search facility
(using the term "Metropolitan line") and found the line diagram was
the third in the results list, though it is far from obvious that it
is actually a map (the result was merely labelled as a PDF named
"Metropolitan line"):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf

Perhaps this line diagram should be made easier to find and be
included on the main TfL maps page.

You may want to pursue that via
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/default.aspx

I found these:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/bakerloo.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/central.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...h-and-City.pdf
This does not show platform-street accessibility at King's Cross St.
Pancras. A couple of days ago, I got a response from Customer Services
to my 2 month old observation that this is not shown. (It was until "For
St. Pancras International" was added.) The response said corrections had
been made. A sample of 5 carriages in 5 trains said otherwise. A couple
of days ago, I heard garbled announcements at KXSP which said there was
no lift service due to safety reasons. 020 7222 1234 said it was due to
power supply problems and should be fixed by the weekend. I forgot to
check this morning.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/district.pdf
East London Line not found
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/jubilee.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/northern.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/piccadilly.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/victoria.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...looandCity.pdf
--
Walter Briscoe

The 1145 Saturday Liverpool Street to Amersham was a favourite -
Finchley Road dep. 1206, next stop Moor Park arr. 1226

Similar thing shown here - except its a FAST Chesham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEYtyeLTG6E

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...
On 10 Feb, 13:12, MIG wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:00 pm, Mizter T wrote:


On 10 Feb, 11:06, Bill Hayles wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:00:04 -0000, Fig wrote:
Train 423 departs UXB 1731 runs fast through Wobbly park 1755
arrives at
Aldgate at 1828 if you're lucky.

That's the fella! Thank you.
I take it that that's the only one in the timetable then? Shame. I'm
surprised I've never stumbled upon it before in all my years of
commuting
out of Uxbridge, then twice in a week!

There used to be plenty of peak hour Uxbridge trains fast from
Finchley
Road to Rayners Lane in 16 minutes.

Similarly Amershams fast from Finchley Road to Moor Park. (and
Watfords
fast from Finchley Road to North Harrow)

This was when the "A" stock was, like me, in its prime, and capable
of
doing 60mph+ on the non stop sections.

The 1145 Saturday Liverpool Street to Amersham was a favourite -
Finchley Road dep. 1206, next stop Moor Park arr. 1226

--
Bill Hayles

Interesting stuff. Harrow on the Hill would seem to be regarded as a
more important hub nowadays - perhaps this shows the growing
importance of local traffic, rather than just whooshing people into
and out of central London. Then again, perhaps it just makes life
simpler for passengers - and as you say A-stock ain't as fast as it
used to be so maybe the current service pattern is also influenced by
what is operationally convenient.

Nonetheless I'm surprised to see that there were Watford fasts with
the first stop at North Harrow, missing a stop at Harrow on the Hill.

I'm not a Metroland man myself, and so I needed to remind myself of
the current Met service pattern - there isn't any obvious place to
look on the TfL website for this, so I used the site's search facility
(using the term "Metropolitan line") and found the line diagram was
the third in the results list, though it is far from obvious that it
is actually a map (the result was merely labelled as a PDF named
"Metropolitan
line"):http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/metropolitan.pdf

Perhaps this line diagram should be made easier to find and be
included on the main TfL maps page

I remember reading somewhere about why the speed was reduced. Was it
something to do with the OPO conversion?


No. The A-stock trains are somewhat knackered and their top speed has
been reduced to 50mph - AIUI they originally had a top speed of 70mph.

It was because the track condition became so poor that the bogies started to
break up, and had to be welded together again.

Orienteer wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

No. The A-stock trains are somewhat knackered and their top speed has
been reduced to 50mph - AIUI they originally had a top speed of
70mph.

It was because the track condition became so poor that the bogies
started to break up, and had to be welded together again.

It's a great shame that no money was ever spent on the under solebar area at
refurbishment. To my mind there's at least another 10-15 years of good
service in the saloon areas, there's nothing much wrong with them for what
they're asked to do, but the ride quality and the noise from the compressors
in the trailer cars is what really lets the A60s down.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:00:13 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:


On 10 Feb, 11:06, Bill Hayles wrote:


There used to be plenty of peak hour Uxbridge trains fast from Finchley
Road to Rayners Lane in 16 minutes.

Similarly Amershams fast from Finchley Road to Moor Park. (and Watfords
fast from Finchley Road to North Harrow)



Interesting stuff. Harrow on the Hill would seem to be regarded as a
more important hub nowadays - perhaps this shows the growing
importance of local traffic, rather than just whooshing people into
and out of central London. Then again, perhaps it just makes life
simpler for passengers - and as you say A-stock ain't as fast as it
used to be so maybe the current service pattern is also influenced by
what is operationally convenient.


What I've remembered is that pre-1963, these Uxbridge fasts would have
been operated by the Tanks ("F" stock). That and the East London Line
were their last duties before withdrawal. The normal Uxbridge service
was CO/CP operated.

The A60 stock replaced the loco hauled and "T" stock on the Met main
line, but the Uxbridge line had to wait until the A62 stock was
delivered.

I only remember the "F" stock from the East London Line. Riding on one
on an Uxbridge fast must have been quite an experience!

Since I was getting my detail from the 1962 Underground Guide, it would
be been an 8 car rake of "F" stock doing Finchley Road to Rayners Lane
in 16 minutes.


--
Bill Hayles

http://billnot.com

"Jack Taylor" wrote in message

Orienteer wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

No. The A-stock trains are somewhat knackered and their top speed
has been reduced to 50mph - AIUI they originally had a top speed of
70mph.

It was because the track condition became so poor that the bogies
started to break up, and had to be welded together again.

It's a great shame that no money was ever spent on the under solebar
area at refurbishment. To my mind there's at least another 10-15
years of good service in the saloon areas, there's nothing much wrong
with them for what they're asked to do, but the ride quality and the
noise from the compressors in the trailer cars is what really lets
the A60s down.

And how! I dread to think of today's Met stock bouncing along at
70mph...