On 7 May, 17:45, "R.C. Payne" wrote:
(there are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy*
booze on the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually
has to do this (he does have them, presumably?)

Are there actually any *wholely* within London for which this applies?
I can think of examples of trains that go between two places within
London that serve booze on the train (Liverpool St to Norwich between
L.St. and Stratford, for example, but I can't bring to mind any
*wholely* within London ones that serve booze on the train.

....or Waterloo to Portsmouth via Clapham Junction. Or Olympia to
Croydon, for a limited time only...

But yes, I'm fairly sure there are no London-only routes with catering
of any kind.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:

But yes, I'm fairly sure there are no London-only routes with catering
of any kind.

I must confess I was finding it hard to think of any -
Paddington-Ealing Broadway, perhaps, or Marylebone-South Ruislip, but
I'm by no means certain of either case. Waterloo-Wimbledon?

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

Tom

On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:
However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote:
On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? IIRC they do.

On May 8, 12:14*am, 1506 wrote:
On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

I don't think it does have 'class' implications. I think there is a
problem with anti-social behaviour on the Underground, but my issue is
how will this be enforced?

On May 7, 4:38*pm, Railist wrote:
On May 8, 12:14*am, 1506 wrote:

On May 7, 3:58*pm, John B wrote: On May 7, 11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say, Uxbridge
can't have a drink on the way home while someone from Oxford can be
*sold* one holds true, and has interesting class implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? *IIRC they do.

I don't think it does have 'class' implications. I think there is a
problem with anti-social behaviour on the Underground, but my issue is
how will this be enforced?

With some difficulty one would have thought. At one time, one of the
Circle Line stations had a bar on the platform. IIRC it was Saint
James Park.

Baker Street certainly had/has a bar outside the barrier line. So, at
the very least the public is being sent mixed messages. And, let us
not forget the Met. Railway's Pullman cars where Alcohol was served on
board.

Moreover , it seems possible that having bought a drink at Marylebone
one could travel to Amersham whilst enjoying a drink on a Chiltern
train. If one bought a drink at Baker Street one would not be allowed
to consume it whilst travelling, over the very same metals, on a
Metropolitan line train.

As an asside many US transit systmes ban eating and drinking, of any
sort, on board buses and trains. LA Metro comes to mind.

1506 gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Baker Street certainly had/has a bar outside the barrier line.

There's a 'spoons above Baker St station, but access is only from outside.

Moreover , it seems possible that having bought a drink at Marylebone

....except they've closed the little corner shop in the concourse, in
order to refurb it into another chain sandwich place...

one could travel to Amersham whilst enjoying a drink on a Chiltern
train. If one bought a drink at Baker Street one would not be allowed
to consume it whilst travelling, over the very same metals, on a
Metropolitan line train.

Indeed.

On Thu, 08 May 2008 10:03:59 -0700, 1506 wrote:

snip
As an asside many US transit systmes ban eating and drinking, of any
sort, on board buses and trains. LA Metro comes to mind.

So do many British ones, *except* (in general) for trains. The Midland
Metro bans it, for example, though it's not rigidly enforced and (I hope)
nobody is going to be pulled up for a bottle of water on a hot summer's
day on a crowded tram. Actually, if they were I wonder whether they'd
have a human-rights case...

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

As an asside many US transit systmes ban eating and drinking, of any
sort, on board buses and trains. LA Metro comes to mind.

A good number of the American systems do, as, closer to home, does
Metrolink. I do hope TfL don't go that far.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

"1506" wrote in message

On May 7, 4:38 pm, Railist wrote:
On May 8, 12:14 am, 1506 wrote:

On May 7, 3:58 pm, John B wrote: On May 7,
11:54 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

However, the wider point that someone commuting from, say,
Uxbridge can't have a drink on the way home while someone from
Oxford can be *sold* one holds true, and has interesting class
implications.

I'm not sure the class point holds - someone commuting to Stratford
can buy a drink, whereas someone commuting to Chalfont and Latimer
can't even drink one...

Do the carts on Thameslink sell Alcohol? IIRC they do.

I don't think it does have 'class' implications. I think there is a
problem with anti-social behaviour on the Underground, but my issue
is how will this be enforced?

With some difficulty one would have thought. At one time, one of the
Circle Line stations had a bar on the platform. IIRC it was Saint
James Park.

Sloan Square, I thought.