On 26 May, 21:13, Paul Corfield wrote:
Goodness - that looks like the planned engineering works has not gone to
plan at all.

Yes, we have an emergency press release:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/8370.aspx

"During engineering works over the weekend to prepare the DLR network
for three carriage trains, engineers working on a bridge at Poplar
identified additional works would be needed this week"

The overrun is open ended and expected to last several days. If they
were doing the demolition this week than it sounds like they've broken
the part of the viaduct they still need.

U

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On May 26, 9:07*pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 26 May, 20:23, MIG wrote:

I've noticed some bits of track being taken up recently. *One is the
siding at Mudchute, which probably has to go to make room for a
platform extension.

They're replacing the siding with a third platform.

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...third-platform...

Ah right. I am not clear whether there will be extra terminating
trains or Crossharbour terminators will go further south (this might
affect whether they go to Bank or Stratford). Both seemed to be
suggested in the discussion.


But I can't work out what's happening at "W. Curve", where the
junction between the two tracks has been moved east, leaving an unused
section of track up to just before where the line from Poplar joins.

They're creating a diveunder where trains that currently use the
southbound track of the West Curve will be diverted underneath the
East Curve, coming up alongside West India Quay station on its east
side (rejoining too late to have a platform there, in fact). The
northernmost part of the West Curve needs demolishing to achieve this,
so it makes sense for them to keep trains as far to the other side as
possible.

http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...-junction-upgr...

I don't quite follow this. Both tracks on the West Curve are
northbound, one for each platform they might have used leaving West
India Quay.

Southbound trains use the flyover. Is the idea to leave the flyover
in place until the divunder is built (on the space reclaimed from one
side of the West Curve) and then demolish the flyover?

On 26 May, 22:32, MIG wrote:
I don't quite follow this. *Both tracks on the West Curve are
northbound, one for each platform they might have used leaving West
India Quay.

Between the flyover and the west curve there's a short section where
the two westbound/northbound tracks run alongside the eastbound/
southbound track from the flyover. The three tracks then go around the
West Curve together and into their respective platforms at West India
Quay. The plan is to replace the northernmost track with a ramp down
to a diveunder under the East Curve.


Southbound trains use the flyover. *Is the idea to leave the flyover
in place until the divunder is built (on the space reclaimed from one
side of the West Curve) and then demolish the flyover?

No. The flyover is untouched. Southbound trains will use the West
India Down Viaduct to go over the Beckton Link Vaiduct (as now) then
almost immediately use the new dive under to go under the East Curve
and into Canary Wharf.

U

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http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

On May 26, 11:46*pm, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 26 May, 22:32, MIG wrote:

I don't quite follow this. *Both tracks on the West Curve are
northbound, one for each platform they might have used leaving West
India Quay.

Between the flyover and the west curve there's a short section where
the two westbound/northbound tracks run alongside the eastbound/
southbound track from the flyover. The three tracks then go around the
West Curve together and into their respective platforms at West India
Quay. *The plan is to replace the northernmost track with a ramp down
to a diveunder under the East Curve.

That still doesn't seem right. Surely the northernmost of the three
tracks IS the flyover?


Southbound trains use the flyover. *Is the idea to leave the flyover
in place until the divunder is built (on the space reclaimed from one
side of the West Curve) and then demolish the flyover?

No. The flyover is untouched. Southbound trains will use the West
India Down Viaduct to go over the Beckton Link Vaiduct (as now) then
almost immediately use the new dive under to go under the East Curve
and into Canary Wharf.

That makes sense in itself, but then where would the flyover lead to?

On May 27, 12:17*am, MIG wrote:
On May 26, 11:46*pm, Mr Thant

wrote:
On 26 May, 22:32, MIG wrote:

I don't quite follow this. *Both tracks on the West Curve are
northbound, one for each platform they might have used leaving West
India Quay.

Between the flyover and the west curve there's a short section where
the two westbound/northbound tracks run alongside the eastbound/
southbound track from the flyover. The three tracks then go around the
West Curve together and into their respective platforms at West India
Quay. *The plan is to replace the northernmost track with a ramp down
to a diveunder under the East Curve.

That still doesn't seem right. *Surely the northernmost of the three
tracks IS the flyover?



Southbound trains use the flyover. *Is the idea to leave the flyover
in place until the divunder is built (on the space reclaimed from one
side of the West Curve) and then demolish the flyover?

No. The flyover is untouched. Southbound trains will use the West
India Down Viaduct to go over the Beckton Link Vaiduct (as now) then
almost immediately use the new dive under to go under the East Curve
and into Canary Wharf.

That makes sense in itself, but then where would the flyover lead to?

(Reading and re-reading and trying to make sense ...) I think the bit
with three tracks that you mention is right by West India Quay end.
So that would mean that it's the track that comes over the flyover
that then immediately goes down the flyunder.

So that still leaves a mysterious bit of track removal on the
previously two-track section a bit further west. The only way that
could go two-way would be by creating a flat junction on the Westferry
side, which can't be the plan. It was always two north/westbound
tracks which merged, but now merge further east.

On 27 May, 00:29, MIG wrote:
So that still leaves a mysterious bit of track removal on the
previously two-track section a bit further west. *The only way that
could go two-way would be by creating a flat junction on the Westferry
side, which can't be the plan. *It was always two north/westbound
tracks which merged, but now merge further east.

Have a look at this diagram:
http://tinyurl.com/42v2d4

The red bit is the new dive under. The yellow bit is the existing
flyover. Ignore the red cross.

By where it says DLT 1 there's some hatching on a section of the
eastbound track, which is the bit to be demolished. Below the hatching
are the two westbound tracks. One of these will be used temporarily to
get eastbound trains from the flyover to West India Quay. And that's
why they've made the two westbound tracks merge before they get to
this area.

U

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http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

On May 27, 1:05*am, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 27 May, 00:29, MIG wrote:

So that still leaves a mysterious bit of track removal on the
previously two-track section a bit further west. *The only way that
could go two-way would be by creating a flat junction on the Westferry
side, which can't be the plan. *It was always two north/westbound
tracks which merged, but now merge further east.

Have a look at this diagram:http://tinyurl.com/42v2d4

The red bit is the new dive under. The yellow bit is the existing
flyover. Ignore the red cross.

By where it says DLT 1 there's some hatching on a section of the
eastbound track, which is the bit to be demolished. Below the hatching
are the two westbound tracks. One of these will be used temporarily to
get eastbound trains from the flyover to West India Quay. And that's
why they've made the two westbound tracks merge before they get to
this area.

I think I'm getting there. Also, maybe the start of the flyunder is
going to encroach on where the northern of the westbound tracks used
to go in any case. I can certainly imagine that the building of it
would.

Will the direct track remain as a diversion? I am also thinking that
maybe West India Quay could continue to be served at less busy times,
but maybe that would be confusing.

It's becoming more of a weekend destination, with bars, restaurants,
festivals and things.

On Mon, 26 May 2008 17:51:09 +0100, "Batman55"
wrote this gibberish:


"MIG" wrote in message
...
On May 26, 4:22 pm, alex_t wrote:
I need to get from Stratford to Deptford Bridge tomorrow, TfL website
seems to imply taking the DLR and changing at Canary wharf, does the
DLR not run direct from Stratford to Deptford Bridge?
I've not used the DLR before but the map seems to imply a nice simple
direct line.

Most Stratford trains terminate at Canary Wharf during the day. They
continue to Crossharbour during the peaks, and Lewisham in early
mornings or late evenings.

There are times when Staford trains don't run through, but it's not
quite like that, plus they keep changing the pattern anyway.

At the moment some of them (but not all) run through in the early
morning on weekdays till the end of the rush hour.

They also run all through the day at weekends, but not in the evenings
at all in the current pattern.

This PDF gives what you need.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-Timetable.pdf

But it's all going to change again soon as they build longer platforms and
introduce longer trains. The leaflet I saw made it all look a bit
horrendous, especially with ELL out of use.

MaxB


Thanks all for the info, looks like I'll be changing at Canary Wharf,
I've never been there or on the DLR so it's new to me.

Thanks again :-)
--
Mark Varley
www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
London, England.

On May 27, 1:05 am, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 27 May, 00:29, MIG wrote:

So that still leaves a mysterious bit of track removal on the
previously two-track section a bit further west. The only way that
could go two-way would be by creating a flat junction on the Westferry
side, which can't be the plan. It was always two north/westbound
tracks which merged, but now merge further east.

Have a look at this diagram:http://tinyurl.com/42v2d4

The red bit is the new dive under. The yellow bit is the existing
flyover. Ignore the red cross.

By where it says DLT 1 there's some hatching on a section of the
eastbound track, which is the bit to be demolished. Below the hatching
are the two westbound tracks. One of these will be used temporarily to
get eastbound trains from the flyover to West India Quay. And that's
why they've made the two westbound tracks merge before they get to
this area.

U

--http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

Will the diveunder mean that trains from Bank won't be able to access
the centre platform at Canary Whard to reverse? Do any bank services
terminate at Canary Wharf at the moment, or is it just trains from
Stratford?

On 27 May, 13:12, brixtonite wrote:
On May 27, 1:05 am, Mr Thant
wrote:





On 27 May, 00:29, MIG wrote:

So that still leaves a mysterious bit of track removal on the
previously two-track section a bit further west. *The only way that
could go two-way would be by creating a flat junction on the Westferry
side, which can't be the plan. *It was always two north/westbound
tracks which merged, but now merge further east.

Have a look at this diagram:http://tinyurl.com/42v2d4

The red bit is the new dive under. The yellow bit is the existing
flyover. Ignore the red cross.

By where it says DLT 1 there's some hatching on a section of the
eastbound track, which is the bit to be demolished. Below the hatching
are the two westbound tracks. One of these will be used temporarily to
get eastbound trains from the flyover to West India Quay. And that's
why they've made the two westbound tracks merge before they get to
this area.

U

--http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

Will the diveunder mean that trains from Bank won't be able to access
the centre platform at Canary Whard to reverse? *Do any bank services
terminate at Canary Wharf at the moment, or is it just trains from
Stratford?-

Apparently they do at weekends (but I've never noticed, probably
because it's so long since any normal weekend pattern has actually
run).

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-Timetable.pdf