Boltar wrote:

Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much?

Hell yes. Go to Bank* station on a weekday at 5pm and see how many
trains you have to wait for before you get to crush yourself onto one.
It's not exactly quiet off peak either. And the Central Line's recently
modernised, which added capacity.

Really, this is silly. It's my view that CrossRail is needed. It's very
expensive, but very important. The government need to decide if it's
going to happen or not and then either do it properly or forget about
it. London does not need or deserve a fudge and if that's what happens -
1506 said it - they'll regret it.

Philip.

* The Northern Line's just as bad, if not worse. The Thameslink upgrade
many help here.

Philip Hardy wrote:
Boltar wrote:

Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much?

Hell yes. Go to Bank* station on a weekday at 5pm and see how many
trains you have to wait for before you get to crush yourself onto one.
It's not exactly quiet off peak either. And the Central Line's
recently modernised, which added capacity.

Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you have
to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London. Well, fun
if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not as nice on a hot
day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a ceiling strap in front of
your face!!!

Really, this is silly. It's my view that CrossRail is needed. It's
very expensive, but very important. The government need to decide if
it's going to happen or not and then either do it properly or forget
about it. London does not need or deserve a fudge and if that's what
happens - 1506 said it - they'll regret it.

CrossRail has been needed for years. But the Government fudges rail
projects in the main in favour of road expansion.

On Oct 1, 1:02*pm, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
Hell yes. Go to Bank* station on a weekday at 5pm and see how many
trains you have to wait for before you get to crush yourself onto one.
It's not exactly quiet off peak either. And the Central Line's
recently modernised, which added capacity.

Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you have
to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London. Well, fun
if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not as nice on a hot
day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a ceiling strap in front of
your face!!!

The difference is that on most lines, there are actually trains that
it's possible to squeeze into (this said as a seasoned Victoria Line
pro not some kind of effete non-Londoner). On the Central at Bank at 5
(or at Bethnal Green at 8:30), there physically aren't.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Sep 26, 5:20*pm, "Jack May" wrote:
"1506" wrote in message

...
On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

?This, if true, is very bad news. *The day will come when Londonners
?will regret it.

Regret what? *The jobs have been moving out of central cities at a rapid
rate for a long time. *The need for transit will continue to shrink as the
jobs move away from the city to the better jobs elsewhere.

The Merchant Banker, May, speaks again.

Jack, how often have you commuted in Greater London?

"Stephen O'Connell" wrote in message
...

Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you have
to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London. Well, fun
if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not as nice on a hot
day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a ceiling strap in front of
your face!!!

Or worse still, some arrogant f**fer wh can't wait for the next train so you
have his groin presses into you arse.

CrossRail has been needed for years. But the Government fudges rail
projects in the main in favour of road expansion.


And what road building schemes have Nu Labour invested in in the last 11
years while they have done nothing on Cross Rail and come to that the Tories
before didn't engage in any massive road building programmes so in all that
is a red herring.

Zen83237 wrote:
"Stephen O'Connell" wrote in message
...

Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you
have to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London.
Well, fun if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not
as nice on a hot day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a
ceiling strap in front of your face!!!

Or worse still, some arrogant f**fer wh can't wait for the next train
so you have his groin presses into you arse.

Yeah but those people do that deliberately!

On 3 Oct, 19:03, "Zen83237" wrote:
Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you have
to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London. Well, fun
if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not as nice on a hot
day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a ceiling strap in front of
your face!!!

Or worse still, some arrogant f**fer wh can't wait for the next train so you
have his groin presses into you arse.

********. If he's physically capable of getting on the train, then
he's doing the right thing by doing so; if you don't like it then you
should move to the countryside or travel at a time where your delicate
sensibilities are less offended.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:53:18 +0100, John B wrote
On 3 Oct, 19:03, "Zen83237" wrote:
Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you have
to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London. Well, fun
if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not as nice on a hot
day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a ceiling strap in front of
your face!!!

Or worse still, some arrogant f**fer wh can't wait for the next train so you
have his groin presses into you arse.

********. If he's physically capable of getting on the train, then
he's doing the right thing by doing so; if you don't like it then you
should move to the countryside or travel at a time where your delicate
sensibilities are less offended.

'delicate sensibilities' are perhaps what used to be known as 'polite,
civilised behaviour'

On Sep 24, 9:13*am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

This, if true, is fantastic news.

I can't think of a single other project that's so deliberately
destructive of london's history; there was no need to destroy the much
loved Astoria when they could demolish the much despised Centrepoint;
there was no need to totally **** up the tube map when it would be
much more traffic-alleviating to divert the route via green park,
charing cross, aldwych, and then holborn.

On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:27:32 +0100, lonelytraveller wrote

I can't think of a single other project that's so deliberately
destructive of london's history; there was no need to destroy the much
loved Astoria when they could demolish the much despised Centrepoint;

Others would, of course, say that the Astoria is of little architectural
merit and that Centre Point was a icon of 60's design and a milestone in
Richard Seifert's career.

I suspect no-one would, however, argue that the piazza underneath and
surrounding the building was anything other than a disaster although, of
course, this wasn't completed to Siefert's and the LCC's original plans.