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On Sep 24, 9:13*am, allan tracy wrote:
According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.


This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.

Adrian

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On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.


Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.


Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.


This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.


Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian
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The Real Doctor wrote:
On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.
Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.
Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.


Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian


???? Crossrail £13.?bn, WCRM £9bn, CTRL £4bn... Jubilee line
extension... hundreds of thousands?
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On Sep 24, 3:07*pm, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:

On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:


According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.


Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.


Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.


This, if true, is very bad news. *The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.


Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian


That figure sounds high to me.

The passenger carryings on Crossrail may render it one of the world's
most utilized railway lines. It will not quite have the cappacity of
a Paris RER line.

IMHO there is not chioce Crossrail has to be built.
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On Sep 24, 3:07*pm, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:

On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:


According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.


Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.


Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.


This, if true, is very bad news. *The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.


Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian


That figure sounds high to me.

The passenger carryings on Crossrail may render it one of the world's
most utilized railway lines. It will not quite have the cappacity of
a Paris RER line.


IMHO, there is no choice, Crossrail has to be built.




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On Sep 24, 8:48 pm, 1506 wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.


Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.



Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much? I suppose if it headed off to
Thamesmead or hackney if could have some purpose but it would stilll
duplicate a lot of the central/jubilee without solving the original
crossrail issue.

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"Boltar" wrote

Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much?


The initial motivation for a new east-west cross-London line, which was
developed into Crossrail, was the severe overcrowding of the Central Line,
especially between Stratford and Chancery Lane.

Peter


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On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:
According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.


?This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
?will regret it.

Regret what? The jobs have been moving out of central cities at a rapid
rate for a long time. The need for transit will continue to shrink as the
jobs move away from the city to the better jobs elsewhere.


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On Sep 27, 1:20*am, "Jack May" wrote:

Regret what? *The jobs have been moving out of central cities at a rapid
rate for a long time. *The need for transit will continue to shrink as the
jobs move away from the city to the better jobs elsewhere.


Which of course is one reason why we need projects like this, to boost
city centres and sustainable employment patterns - working in the
suburbs will be car-based, with all the congestion/pollution/carbon
emissions problems associated. And note that we're talking about
Britain here, where there hasn't been the same flight to the suburbs
as in North America.
Tim
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On Sep 27, 1:20 am, "Jack May" wrote:

Regret what? The jobs have been moving out of central cities at a
rapid rate for a long time. The need for transit will continue to
shrink as the jobs move away from the city to the better jobs
elsewhere.


Which of course is one reason why we need projects like this, to boost
city centres and sustainable employment patterns - working in the
suburbs will be car-based, with all the congestion/pollution/carbon
emissions problems associated. And note that we're talking about
Britain here, where there hasn't been the same flight to the suburbs
as in North America.


Indeed, the number of jobs in London Docklands has been rocketing, and I
don't think there's a long-term trend for them to fall elsewhere in
central London (though there may be some property 'voids' in the short
term).




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