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On 27 Jan, 00:34, wrote:
That's the Platform 0 scheme which I thought was currently under
construction, surely? I have a feeling it's changed name again, though.

Platform Y, right up against the eastern wall. The rebuilding work
will take two platforms at once out of use, so it's being built to
compensate.

The York Way access will have to go for that, surely?

Yes. There's talk of building a new footbridge along the north end of
the main shed (where there was one before), but I'm not aware of the
status of this idea. It'll have its own gateline.

U

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On 27 Jan, 00:40, Tom Anderson wrote:


On Mon, 26 Jan 2009, Roland Perry wrote:

(snip)

I've done a composite, as best I can quickly, which shows it's not completely
to scale: http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-composite.jpg

Oh, that's rather good.


It is rather isn't it - thanks Mr Perry.


It matches up well with the back-of-the-envelope workings-out i did a
while ago about the location of the old Thameslink station relative to the
eastern end of the Victoria line platforms; we wondered if they were close
enough for the station building to be a useful second exit - my workings
and your overlay agree that they are.


The Pentonville Road exit is indeed useful for the Vic line. When I
first saw the title of this thread I must admit I thought we were
about to lose this neat secondary exit - thankfully not.

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On 27 Jan, 00:53, Mr Thant
wrote:

On 27 Jan, 00:34, wrote:

That's the Platform 0 scheme which I thought was currently under
construction, surely? I have a feeling it's changed name again, though.

Platform Y, right up against the eastern wall. The rebuilding work
will take two platforms at once out of use, so it's being built to
compensate.

The York Way access will have to go for that, surely?

Yes. There's talk of building a new footbridge along the north end of
the main shed (where there was one before), but I'm not aware of the
status of this idea. It'll have its own gateline.


There's lots of information that I haven't digested on this
campaigning blog:
http://www.kingscrossaccess.com/

Essentially the local community wants what they're calling a
'Battlebridge Crossing' to link them in to the heart of the 'hub'
which will be to the western side of King's Cross. I think this is
what you're referring to, or maybe it's not - AFAICS this wouldn't be
a bridge that would lead directly onto the platforms, it would be
public hence it wouldn't have a gateline.

There's something in that blog about Argent (the developers of KX
Central on the old goods yard) having a design of a bridge ready to
go, and also being committed (under a s106 agreement) to contribute
towards it, but only if someone else comes up with the money before
2012.

I've got some considerable sympathy for the desire for a footbridge
here to link in the neighbourhoods on the east side of the station
into all the activity on the west side.

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In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On 27 Jan, 00:53, Mr Thant
wrote:

On 27 Jan, 00:34, wrote:

That's the Platform 0 scheme which I thought was currently under
construction, surely? I have a feeling it's changed name again,
though.

Platform Y, right up against the eastern wall. The rebuilding work
will take two platforms at once out of use, so it's being built to
compensate.

The York Way access will have to go for that, surely?

Yes. There's talk of building a new footbridge along the north end of
the main shed (where there was one before), but I'm not aware of the
status of this idea. It'll have its own gateline.

There's lots of information that I haven't digested on this campaigning
blog: http://www.kingscrossaccess.com/

Essentially the local community wants what they're calling a
'Battlebridge Crossing' to link them in to the heart of the 'hub'
which will be to the western side of King's Cross. I think this is
what you're referring to, or maybe it's not - AFAICS this wouldn't be
a bridge that would lead directly onto the platforms, it would be
public hence it wouldn't have a gateline.

There's something in that blog about Argent (the developers of KX
Central on the old goods yard) having a design of a bridge ready to
go, and also being committed (under a s106 agreement) to contribute
towards it, but only if someone else comes up with the money before
2012.

I've got some considerable sympathy for the desire for a footbridge
here to link in the neighbourhoods on the east side of the station
into all the activity on the west side.

A picture caption in the latest Modern Railways suggests a new structure
at the Northern end of the trainshed is such a bridge. It doesn't look
permanent enough for that purpose to me, but there you go.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Jan 26, 11:26*am, Mizter T wrote:
On 26 Jan, 11:15, Roland Perry wrote:

"This closure is to enable a lift to be installed to provide step-free
access from the ticket hall to the Northern line platforms.

Myers: "Abe, ya coming?"
Abraham Simpson: "Any stairs?"
Myers: "Just one."
Abraham Simpson: "Nuts to you!"

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In message , at 18:34:23
on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, remarked:
They are currently widening the circulating area inside the "old
building" by moving all the buffers about half a carriage-length
north, and eventually covering the resulting footprint with a
pedestrianised area. This will give a "corridor" from the platform
ends westwards to the new National Rail ticket concourse.

ITYF that those extensions affect platforms 5-8 only. Platforms 1-4 are
not being shortened.

One of the plans linked to yesterday showed that - I have to admit being
a little surprised. It's one of the reasons people arriving on those
low-numbered platforms are encouraged to exit to the plaza, because the
route to the new western concourse is too constricted (and conflicted
with people heading towards trains).

I hope that tptb at the station start announcing the departure of trains
a little earlier, as the "frantic last minute rush" is going to be from
much further away; I wonder if they'll yell at people, over the tannoy,
who go airside speculatively, and clog up the area in front of the
buffers, like they yell at people who go onto the platforms today "too
early".
--
Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
18:34:23 on Mon, 26 Jan 2009, remarked:
They are currently widening the circulating area inside the "old
building" by moving all the buffers about half a carriage-length
north, and eventually covering the resulting footprint with a
pedestrianised area. This will give a "corridor" from the platform
ends westwards to the new National Rail ticket concourse.

ITYF that those extensions affect platforms 5-8 only. Platforms 1-4 are
not being shortened.

One of the plans linked to yesterday showed that - I have to admit
being a little surprised. It's one of the reasons people arriving
on those low-numbered platforms are encouraged to exit to the
plaza, because the route to the new western concourse is too
constricted (and conflicted with people heading towards trains).

I hope that tptb at the station start announcing the departure of
trains a little earlier, as the "frantic last minute rush" is going
to be from much further away; I wonder if they'll yell at people,
over the tannoy, who go airside speculatively, and clog up the area
in front of the buffers, like they yell at people who go onto the
platforms today "too early".

Hope away! It all looks pretty daft to me.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Jan 26, 9:54*am, Allan wrote:

All this so a lift can be installed.

Yeah, those old people and people in wheel chairs: who cares?

There's an excellent reason to put a lift into central London if at
all possible: it opens up travel possibilities into central London for
wheelchair users from north London, as there's platform level access
at Woodside Park and West Finchley. It'd be nice if it were somewhere
with car parking, like Totteridge and Whetstone, but from memory
parking at Woodside Park would be practical with a disabled pass.

Currently there are few such opportunities. The only other central
access from the north is the Jubilee Line at Westminster and Waterloo,
and then at Stanmore, Wembley Park and Kilburn, but that presumes
you're headed for Westminster. The map marks step-free access from
the sub-surface lines at Kings Cross, which could be boarded from
Wembley Park, so presumably a lift to the Northern Line also opens up
interchange at Kings Cross which means you could travel from Woodside
Park to Wimbledon, for example.

Still, we've done train spotters dismissing the needs of people in
wheel chairs, with visual handicaps, with children, travelling in
groups of more than one, etc, before, so it's hardly a new tendency.

ian

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On 27 Jan, 10:01, wrote:

On Jan 26, 9:54*am, Allan wrote:

All this so a lift can be installed.

Yeah, those old people and people in wheel chairs: who cares?

There's an excellent reason to put a lift into central London if at
all possible: it opens up travel possibilities into central London for
wheelchair users from north London, as there's platform level access
at Woodside Park and West Finchley. *It'd be nice if it were somewhere
with car parking, like Totteridge and Whetstone, but from memory
parking at Woodside Park would be practical with a disabled pass.

Currently there are few such opportunities. *The only other central
access from the north is the Jubilee Line at Westminster and Waterloo,
and then at Stanmore, Wembley Park and Kilburn, but that presumes
you're headed for Westminster. *The map marks step-free access from
the sub-surface lines at Kings Cross, which could be boarded from
Wembley Park, so presumably a lift to the Northern Line also opens up
interchange at Kings Cross which means you could travel from Woodside
Park to Wimbledon, for example.

Still, we've done train spotters dismissing the needs of people in
wheel chairs, with visual handicaps, with children, travelling in
groups of more than one, etc, before, so it's hardly a new tendency.


Well put.

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On 27 Jan, 10:01, wrote:
Currently there are few such opportunities. *The only other central
access from the north is the Jubilee Line at Westminster and Waterloo,
and then at Stanmore, Wembley Park and Kilburn, but that presumes
you're headed for Westminster. *The map marks step-free access from
the sub-surface lines at Kings Cross, which could be boarded from
Wembley Park

If you change to the Met at Finchley Road the whole of the SSR is
available from the Jubilee, including the lifts at Kings Cross, and
cross platform interchange to trains in the other direction.

so presumably a lift to the Northern Line also opens up
interchange at Kings Cross which means you could travel from Woodside
Park to Wimbledon, for example.

Cross platform at Euston onto the Victoria, cross platform at Oxford
Circus onto the Bakerloo. At Waterloo there's step free access via the
JLE travelator and lifts, then SWT to Wimbledon.

(I'll admit I used the journey planner to discover this. It's
surprisingly good at it)

U