This surprised me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8021703.stm
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Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Ian Jelf wrote:
This surprised me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8021703.stm

Possibly less surprising if you read "buggy" as shorthand for
"my-other-Chelsea-tractor-is-even-bigger-than-this-2-tier-ankle-breaker".

As for a "buggy" being folded .......................... about as common
as Gordon Brown's apologies.
--
Robin

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, neverwas wrote:

Ian Jelf wrote:
This surprised me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8021703.stm

Possibly less surprising if you read "buggy" as shorthand for
"my-other-Chelsea-tractor-is-even-bigger-than-this-2-tier-ankle-breaker".

Quite. And what's this 'buggy park'? Do they mean 'wheelchair space'? I do
wish people with buggies would fall down and die. If your children are
small enough to need a pushchair, they're small enough to lift out of it
with ease. If they're big enough that you can't, they should bloody well
be walking. It does nobody except the parent any favours, and certainly
not the children, to keep them strapped in a buggy.

Sterilise the lot of 'em, i say.

tom

--
.... the gripping first chapter, which literally grips you because it's
printed on a large clamp.

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
rth.li...
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, neverwas wrote:

Ian Jelf wrote:
This surprised me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8021703.stm

Possibly less surprising if you read "buggy" as shorthand for
"my-other-Chelsea-tractor-is-even-bigger-than-this-2-tier-ankle-breaker".

Quite. And what's this 'buggy park'? Do they mean 'wheelchair space'? I do
wish people with buggies would fall down and die. If your children are
small enough to need a pushchair, they're small enough to lift out of it
with ease. If they're big enough that you can't, they should bloody well
be walking. It does nobody except the parent any favours, and certainly
not the children, to keep them strapped in a buggy.

Sterilise the lot of 'em, i say.

tom

--
... the gripping first chapter, which literally grips you because it's
printed on a large clamp.

Yea, they should have started with your parents I think.

In message . li, Tom
Anderson writes
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, neverwas wrote:

Ian Jelf wrote:
This surprised me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8021703.stm

Possibly less surprising if you read "buggy" as shorthand for
"my-other-Chelsea-tractor-is-even-bigger-than-this-2-tier-ankle-breaker".

Quite. And what's this 'buggy park'? Do they mean 'wheelchair space'? I
do wish people with buggies would fall down and die. If your children
are small enough to need a pushchair, they're small enough to lift out
of it with ease. If they're big enough that you can't, they should
bloody well be walking. It does nobody except the parent any favours,
and certainly not the children, to keep them strapped in a buggy.

Sterilise the lot of 'em, i say.

"Incoming......."!
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
rth.li...

If your children are small enough to need a pushchair, they're small
enough to lift out of it with ease. If they're big enough that you can't,
they should bloody well be walking.

I've often wondered why having procreated gives people the right to invade
everyone else's space with their ridiculous means of child transport. Either
use a foldaway buggy - and fold it up on a bus - or carry the brats.

Ian

On Apr 28, 8:21*am, "Ian F." wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message

rth.li...

If your children are small enough to need a pushchair, they're small
enough to lift out of it with ease. If they're big enough that you can't,
they should bloody well be walking.

I've often wondered why having procreated gives people the right to invade
everyone else's space with their ridiculous means of child transport. Either
use a foldaway buggy - and fold it up on a bus - or carry the brats.

I don't really see why someone who is putting in 24 hours a day to
provide the people who will look after us in our old age should be
forbidden to travel.

However much anyone is annoyed by very occasionally being delayed a
couple of minutes by a buggy, at least you don't have to look after
their children.

There are probably societies where everyone on the bus would see it as
their responsibility to help, eg hold the child while the mother folds
the buggy etc, but in a society where everyone is on their own, while
others just look on and tut, they'll make whatever arrangements they
see fit, and good luck to em.

When I was a child in the 1960's my mother hauled a pushchair on and
off RM and RT buses, either on her own or probably with the help of
the conductor. (Blimey, I'm starting to see Boris's point about buses
here!). This was normal practice and no-one complained. My mother is
hardly the largest or strongest person either. I also travelled in the
guards compartment of trains as well, and can remember doing the same
thing whne my sister was little in the early 1970's.

Neill

In message
, MIG
writes
There are probably societies where everyone on the bus would see it as
their responsibility to help, eg hold the child while the mother folds
the buggy etc,

Malta is one!

We travelled back from Valetta to Qawra one day on a crowded bus [1]
where a child literally screamed his head off to the point where we were
ready to do the same ourselves but everyone else on the bus just smiled
indulgently and admired the little boy and his impressive little lungs!
I think it's just the Mediterranean temperament and love of families.
As Northern European Anglos Saxons this was completely alien to us!
:-))


but in a society where everyone is on their own, while
others just look on and tut, they'll make whatever arrangements they
see fit, and good luck to em.

Being serious for a moment, London and other places have made good
progress in recent years making space for buggies. The problem seems
to arise when the space is full. Parents or carers have become so used
to not folding the buggy, they feel that they never have to.

Now, I *have* heard stories of drivers refusing to wait *while* a mother
folded a buggy (First 121 or 126 in Somerset, for reference) but for the
most part the problem does seem to be the adults not accepting when a
space is already full.



[1] There seems to be no other sort in Malta!
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

In message , Ian F.
writes
I've often wondered why having procreated gives people the right to
invade everyone else's space with their ridiculous means of child
transport. Either use a foldaway buggy - and fold it up on a bus - or
carry the brats.
When I drove buses (70s) you either folded your buggy or pushchair or
you didn't get on full stop. Further it went in the little luggage bay
where the conductor stood, not in the seating area.
--
Clive