In summary, is it that trains stop running by 19:00 or start declining
from then?

I ask because I am confused by the accounts so far.

Eg TFL say on their website

"The RMT leadership plan a strike from 18:59 on Tuesday 9 June to 18:58
on Thursday 11 June, with normal services resuming on the morning of
Friday 12 June.
Customers using the Underground on the Tuesday evening are advised to
finish their journeys by 19:00 to ensure they get home, as services are
likely to decline after this time."

Now I know I'm an old pedant but if they are on strike from 18:59 it'll
be a little odd to find any of them still driving trains after 19:00.

Is it more in the nature of a rolling stoppage with staff walking out as
and when they reach the end of the line? If so, when do station staff
walk out and force station closures?

--
R (a.k.a. confused of Hackney)

neverwas wrote:
In summary, is it that trains stop running by 19:00 or start declining
from then?

I ask because I am confused by the accounts so far.

Eg TFL say on their website

"The RMT leadership plan a strike from 18:59 on Tuesday 9 June to
18:58 on Thursday 11 June, with normal services resuming on the
morning of Friday 12 June.
Customers using the Underground on the Tuesday evening are advised to
finish their journeys by 19:00 to ensure they get home, as services
are likely to decline after this time."

Now I know I'm an old pedant but if they are on strike from 18:59
it'll be a little odd to find any of them still driving trains after
19:00.
Is it more in the nature of a rolling stoppage with staff walking out
as and when they reach the end of the line? If so, when do station
staff walk out and force station closures?

Any staff who start their shift before 1859 Tuesday will continue to work
until the end of their shift. Staff who are supposed to start their shift
after 1859 will remain at home, preparing themselves to watch Wednesday's
England Andorra match on TV. On Thursday, any staff due to start their shift
before 1858 will not start their shift, so services will remain severly
disrupted until night closure.

On Jun 9, 9:34*am, "neverwas" wrote:
In summary, is it that trains stop running by 19:00 or start declining
from then?
[snip]

I'd imagine we won't really know for sure until this evening, not that
that's going to be particularly helpful for journey planning...
During the last strike in September 2007, services began winding down
throughout the afternoon for an official 1800 start[1] - and I
remember there being rumours going round work with the times of the
last trains from the nearest station into town (which turned out to be
correct)


[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6974841.stm

"Basil Jet" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Staff who are supposed to start their shift after 1859 will remain at
home, preparing themselves to watch Wednesday's England Andorra match
on TV.

I'm sure that's a total coincidence...

Adrian wrote:
"Basil Jet" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Staff who are supposed to start their shift after 1859 will remain at
home, preparing themselves to watch Wednesday's England Andorra match
on TV.

I'm sure that's a total coincidence...

The police have ordered that no tickets be sold on the door at the Wembley
event, to reduce the number of people driving to the area during the strike.
So when the RMT are sitting at home watching the match on TV, those empty
seats in the stadium will be their fault.

On Jun 9, 11:34*am, "Basil Jet"
wrote:

Adrian wrote:

"Basil Jet" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Staff who are supposed to start their shift after 1859 will remain at
home, preparing themselves to watch Wednesday's England Andorra match
on TV.

I'm sure that's a total coincidence...

The police have ordered that no tickets be sold on the door at the Wembley
event, to reduce the number of people driving to the area during the strike.
So when the RMT are sitting at home watching the match on TV, those empty
seats in the stadium will be their fault.

The FA suspended selling tickets in advance last week - see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8082106.stm

However it's not quite right to say that the police have ordered that
no tickets be sold on the door. Brent council have to issue a stadium
safety certificate, which it appears they have not yet done - talks
are going on between the FA, the police and Brent council to work out
what to do. A remote possibility is that it'll be played out behind
closed doors - see this Guardian report:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ndorra-wembley

Incidentally, may I kindly and politely suggest that those who are
saying the strike was timed to coincide with the football match are
perhaps not really au-fait with the relative unimportance of this
match - it's against Andorra, who ain't any good, and is hardly one of
the mighty contests in the footballing world. Yes, it's still
important in terms of qualifying for the 2010 world cup, but England
currently look on course to do that.

If RMT bods really had wanted to time the strike to coincide with an
England football match, then it would have been an away football match
- i.e. overseas, not at Wembley. Instead, I'd actually say the timing
seems particularly counter-productive as it will manage to raise the
ire of many more people apart from London commuters, as those watching
the match at home ('tis on ITV) will be well aware that it's the RMT's
actions that will have led to the stadium being half-empty - something
that never looks good on TV and will undoubtedly be referred to by
commentators and newspapers so football fans will know where the blame
lies.

Of course the flip-side is that the RMT may well have chosen the dates
specifically to coincide with the match, so as to maximise the threat
of a strike. Well, their bluff has been called. Just as well the
football season is over, as otherwise I can imagine LU staff getting
harranged by football fans going from and to domestic fixtures.

Mizter T gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Incidentally, may I kindly and politely suggest that those who are
saying the strike was timed to coincide with the football match are
perhaps not really au-fait with the relative unimportance of this match
- it's against Andorra, who ain't any good, and is hardly one of the
mighty contests in the footballing world.

Exactly. It's one of the very rare chances to watch England win.

"Mizter T" wrote in message



If RMT bods really had wanted to time the strike to coincide with an
England football match, then it would have been an away football match
- i.e. overseas, not at Wembley. Instead, I'd actually say the timing
seems particularly counter-productive as it will manage to raise the
ire of many more people apart from London commuters, as those watching
the match at home ('tis on ITV) will be well aware that it's the RMT's
actions that will have led to the stadium being half-empty - something
that never looks good on TV and will undoubtedly be referred to by
commentators and newspapers so football fans will know where the blame
lies.

But surely Brother Crow loves such opportunities to publicly demonstrate
his power?

Adrian wrote:
Mizter T gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Incidentally, may I kindly and politely suggest that those who are
saying the strike was timed to coincide with the football match are
perhaps not really au-fait with the relative unimportance of this match
- it's against Andorra, who ain't any good, and is hardly one of the
mighty contests in the footballing world.

Exactly. It's one of the very rare chances to watch England win.


You're obviously completely out of touch with football, as the England
side have had their best start to World Cup qualifying for some years.

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:04:00 +0100
"Basil Jet" wrote:
Any staff who start their shift before 1859 Tuesday will continue to work
until the end of their shift. Staff who are supposed to start their shift
after 1859 will remain at home, preparing themselves to watch Wednesday's
England Andorra match on TV. On Thursday, any staff due to start their shift
before 1858 will not start their shift, so services will remain severly
disrupted until night closure.

Though we live in hope that 1 or 2 of them may grow a pair, ignore the RMT
******* and actually turn up for work but I won't hold my breath.

And can someone explain why Aslef members arn't showing up? Theres enough of
them to run a bit more than a skeleton service. Or are they showing "solidarity"
or whatever lefty ******** phrase is trendy these days with their "brothers"
in the RMT even though they didn't vote for a strike? In which case why don't
they just join the RMT.

B2003