Hi Group,

I have to meet Mrs Fig at Gatwick (North) this evening.
This is not a common journey for me so, seeing as I've got a bit of time,
I thought I'd try and figure out my cheapest option. Wish I'd never
started!

The details:

From: Ruislip Gardens
To: Gatwick (North)
Flight arrives: 8pm
I need 1 return journey and 1 single.
We both have HMF railcards.
Neither of us have any season tickets but do have railcards loaded on to
Oyster for discounted caps.
I can buy an off-peak z1-6 day travelcard for £5 (if the ticket office is
open!)

What would be the cheapest option?

NR website is saying £11.20 for rtn from London Bridge, £14.50 for return
from Victoria and £19.00 for return Gatwick Exp.
I've got no idea about boundary zone 6 to Gatwick prices, but coupled with
a £5 travelcard that must be an option?
Bare in mind that on the return journey we'll probably just want to get on
the first London bound train and not want to hang around for a London
Bridge train (I'm not sure what the frequencies are.) Why are Victoria and
London Bridge tickets priced differently? Isn't there a London Terminals
to Gatwick fare?

How does one get from the station to North Terminal?

Any advice gratefully received!

--
Fig

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:08:28 +0100
Fig wrote:
How does one get from the station to North Terminal?

Theres a people mover system that links the 2 terminals. If it was much
longer it could probably be called a metro.

B2003

In message op.uw7k8eaom4iaeb@dell, at 12:08:28 on Fri, 17 Jul 2009,
Fig remarked:
Isn't there a London Terminals to Gatwick fare?

Only as a travelcard, I think; all the other fares are
operator-specific. Cheapest is the "FCC only".

How does one get from the station to North Terminal?

Go out of the ticket office towards the South Terminal, and shortly
after take a walkway to the right - it has a pair of short travelators -
leading to the shuttle train to the North Terminal.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message op.uw7k8eaom4iaeb@dell, at 12:08:28 on Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Fig
remarked:
Isn't there a London Terminals to Gatwick fare?

Only as a travelcard, I think; all the other fares are operator-specific.
Cheapest is the "FCC only".


Don't forget he is doing London Terminals to Gatwick Return, they don't do
inclusive travelcards that way round anyway...

Paul

In message , at 12:49:00 on
Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Paul Scott remarked:
Isn't there a London Terminals to Gatwick fare?

Only as a travelcard, I think; all the other fares are operator-specific.
Cheapest is the "FCC only".


Don't forget he is doing London Terminals to Gatwick Return, they don't do
inclusive travelcards that way round anyway...

OK... So on the basis that there is supposed to be at least one
interavailable ticket, what is it, starting at the London end?
--
Roland Perry

On Jul 17, 2:25*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:49:00 on
Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Paul Scott remarked:

Isn't there a London Terminals *to Gatwick fare?

Only as a travelcard, I think; all the other fares are operator-specific.
Cheapest is the "FCC only".

We did this very recently - and the above is wrong. There's a "Not
Gatwick Express" fare - available on Southern and FCC - in effect it's
"Any Permitted *except* GatEx", so a 'specific operator not allowed'
rather than 'operator-specific' ticket.


Don't forget he is doing London Terminals to Gatwick Return, they don't do
inclusive travelcards that way round anyway...

But one could work the system a little and buy it via TOD (aka
Fasticket) collection. Probably not, admittedly, in time for a journey
this evening! But West Ruislip is a TOD collection point - see:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/statio...inations/tods/


OK... So on the basis that there is supposed to be at least one
interavailable ticket, what is it, starting at the London end?

"Not GatEx" London Terminals to Gatwick, as explained above.

I've just realised the likely explanation for this - I reckon this odd
fare arrangement exists as a result of grandfather rights. As a trial
run for privatisation and competition, GatEx and NSE (or was it
Network South Central by then) were set up to compete against one
another. Prior to this, all Gatwick pax were directed towards GatEx -
I don't think there would have been a price advantage in catching a
slower (non-GatEx) train.

On Jul 17, 4:48*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 17, 2:25*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:49:00 on
Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Paul Scott remarked:

Isn't there a London Terminals *to Gatwick fare?

Only as a travelcard, I think; all the other fares are operator-specific.
Cheapest is the "FCC only".

We did this very recently - and the above is wrong. There's a "Not
Gatwick Express" fare - available on Southern and FCC - in effect it's
"Any Permitted *except* GatEx", so a 'specific operator not allowed'
rather than 'operator-specific' ticket.



Don't forget he is doing London Terminals to Gatwick Return, they don't do
inclusive travelcards that way round anyway...

But one could work the system a little and buy it via TOD (aka
Fasticket) collection. Probably not, admittedly, in time for a journey
this evening! But West Ruislip is a TOD collection point - see:http://www..nationalrail.co.uk/stati...inations/tods/



OK... So on the basis that there is supposed to be at least one
interavailable ticket, what is it, starting at the London end?

"Not GatEx" London Terminals to Gatwick, as explained above.

I've just realised the likely explanation for this - I reckon this odd
fare arrangement exists as a result of grandfather rights. As a trial
run for privatisation and competition, GatEx and NSE (or was it
Network South Central by then) were set up to compete against one
another. Prior to this, all Gatwick pax were directed towards GatEx -
I don't think there would have been a price advantage in catching a
slower (non-GatEx) train.

Nothing to do with privatisation, it was the rearrangement before that
when Inter-City was born and took over the non-stop Gatwick service
which had been introduced using the class 73s and rebuilt Mk 2
coaching sets with Hap driving coaches. Gatwick Express fares at a
premium came in in the mid 1980s.

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

Isn't there a London Terminals *to Gatwick fare?

Only as a travelcard, I think; all the other fares are operator-
specific. Cheapest is the "FCC only".

We did this very recently - and the above is wrong. There's a "Not
Gatwick Express" fare - available on Southern and FCC - in effect
it's
"Any Permitted *except* GatEx", so a 'specific operator not allowed'
rather than 'operator-specific' ticket.

It is still a problem, or rather there is a similar London-Brighton
problem. I had problems getting tickets that allowed me to go:

Day 1: Cambridge-London
Day 2: Clapham Jcn-Brighton
Day 8: Brighton-Cambridge (or Brighton-KXTL,KX-Cambridge)

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:31:12 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message op.uw7k8eaom4iaeb@dell, at 12:08:28 on Fri, 17 Jul 2009,
Fig remarked:

How does one get from the station to North Terminal?

Go out of the ticket office towards the South Terminal, and shortly
after take a walkway to the right - it has a pair of short travelators -
leading to the shuttle train to the North Terminal.

Thanks Roland. How much time should one allow for the shuttle?

--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

In message op.uw7nh5p4m4iaeb@dell, at 12:57:31 on Fri, 17 Jul 2009,
Fig remarked:
Go out of the ticket office towards the South Terminal, and shortly
after take a walkway to the right - it has a pair of short travelators
- leading to the shuttle train to the North Terminal.

Thanks Roland. How much time should one allow for the shuttle?

Ten minutes should be sufficient. I think it's supposed to run every
three minutes, but that requires two trains in use. I haven't seen more
than one recently, so you might just miss the train you'll have to wait
for it to go all the way there, and back, and there again.
--
Roland Perry