On Sep 14, 11:49*am, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
the guys I know who do a bit of painting and decorating around London
and take their own kit with them on p/t,
(f) the very fit guy I know who needs
to get around town and visit various clients whilst looking sharp, who
despite his considerable fitness perspires a great deal and just isn't
willing to arrive looking flustered in his snazzy suit;
In addition to Tom's comments, surely gentlemen c and f won't be hit
by the closures, because they'll be working during the working week
when the tubes aren't closed?

I've lost count of the number of painters, decorators and builders I've
found working weekends when I've been canvassing. Some are doing so to get
the project completed faster, others because the clients want to be in when
there are strangers in the home, others because the clients *need* to be in
because of the problems of accessing flat blocks and gates when there's
no-one inside the relevant flat, and others just because they take on extra
work.

True-ish on the tradesmen, although the vast majority I know work Mon-
Fri.

And similarly (f) types can and do work weekends - in any customer service
job being able to see the clients when the clients have time, rather than
expecting the clients to take time off work, is helpful.

I'm pretty sure the number of jobs whe

* you meet clients
* in a suit
* at the weekend

....is extremely limited. Estate agent, perhaps, but that's an
impossible job to do via PT anyway.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Sep 14, 12:52*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
There are huge planning and booking timescales
mandated on the Infracos so far as LUL closures are concerned. There are
also rules about avoiding too many journey opportunities being lost. The
process does include liaison with Network Rail, DLR and the TOCs to try
to ensure that viable opportunities remain for people to get about. In
addition there has to be a sanity check with the bus companies to make
sure they can resource the envisaged scale of rail replacement services..
I appreciate that it can look as if no one has bothered to talk to one
another but the opposite is usually true.

Whilst I appreciate there is co-ordination, one thing that really frustrates
passengers is the lack of information about TfL closures (and other TOCs)
when they turn up at their local station, especially when the service there
isn't running (but even when it is it can be unhelpful - I've been caught
out by Jubilee line closures where the first I've been told about them is
when I've got to the concourse at Stratford).

Really? You go out at the weekend without checking your journey on
Journey Planner?

(and yes, I know 20%ish of Londoners don't have home Internet access,
so it's not a perfect solution, but it's more than adequate for anyone
capable fo moaning about lack of provision on Usenet...)

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On 14 Sep, 14:29, John B wrote:
On Sep 14, 11:49*am, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-





wrote:
the guys I know who do a bit of painting and decorating around London
and take their own kit with them on p/t,
(f) the very fit guy I know who needs
to get around town and visit various clients whilst looking sharp, who
despite his considerable fitness perspires a great deal and just isn't
willing to arrive looking flustered in his snazzy suit;
In addition to Tom's comments, surely gentlemen c and f won't be hit
by the closures, because they'll be working during the working week
when the tubes aren't closed?

I've lost count of the number of painters, decorators and builders I've
found working weekends when I've been canvassing. Some are doing so to get
the project completed faster, others because the clients want to be in when
there are strangers in the home, others because the clients *need* to be in
because of the problems of accessing flat blocks and gates when there's
no-one inside the relevant flat, and others just because they take on extra
work.

True-ish on the tradesmen, although the vast majority I know work Mon-
Fri.

And similarly (f) types can and do work weekends - in any customer service
job being able to see the clients when the clients have time, rather than
expecting the clients to take time off work, is helpful.

I'm pretty sure the number of jobs whe

* you meet clients
* in a suit
* at the weekend

...is extremely limited. Estate agent, perhaps, but that's an
impossible job to do via PT anyway.


Meantime, can I add person (h) who goes shopping or to the cinema at
the weekend and won't find their bike where they left it and person
(i) who is travelling to/returning from Yorkshire for/after a week
away. In fact, if you aren't going from an a to a b, where both the a
and b are restricted places (like homes and workplaces) where a bike
can be stored, cycling is not always going to be a viable solution.

For work journeys, yes a lot more cycling could be encouraged, but a
lot of workplaces need to take it seriously and provide parking and
changing/showering facilities.

John B wrote on 14 September 2009 14:29:39 ...

I'm pretty sure the number of jobs whe

* you meet clients
* in a suit
* at the weekend

...is extremely limited. Estate agent, perhaps, but that's an
impossible job to do via PT anyway.

Actually one of my more memorable journeys on the Paris Métro was when I
was on the way to view a flat with a estate agent. At St-Lazare, she
took us down to Line 14 in a lift and on to a train, but she'd chosen
the wrong platform, which gave me my first (and so far, only) visit to a
reversing siding. They don't bother with tipping out the passengers at
the end of the line in Paris.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, MIG wrote:

Meantime, can I add person (h) who goes shopping or to the cinema at the
weekend and won't find their bike where they left it and person

Wow. Let me know where these shops and this cinema are, so i can avoid
them. I've left my bike locked up outside cinemas, shops, pubs,
restaurants, opera houses (okay, not really) etc, and not had it nicked.
The only times i've had it nicked where from outside my house, when it
wasn't actually locked down to anything. Perhaps this person just needs a
better lock?

Oh, and i had the saddle nicked from outside a restaurant once. I now put
a loop of the cable through the saddle. I should really just
de-quick-release it, which would probably be secure enough.

(i) who is travelling to/returning from Yorkshire for/after a week
away.

What's the problem? They're taking the bike with them, of course.
Otherwise they won't have a bike when they're in Yorkshire!

In fact, if you aren't going from an a to a b, where both the a and b
are restricted places (like homes and workplaces) where a bike can be
stored, cycling is not always going to be a viable solution.

Not always, but for a vast majority. You haven't given me a single really
convincing a/b-based example yet.

For work journeys, yes a lot more cycling could be encouraged, but a lot
of workplaces need to take it seriously and provide parking and
changing/showering facilities.

I certainly agree with that. Although i think parking is the priority -
showers aren't generally necessary unless you have an amazingly long
commute (or are a lot sweatier than i am, which you might be, or you don't
wash in the morning, which you should), and toilet cubicles of a decent
size are quite adequate for changing.

tom

--
Restate my assumptions

John B wrote:

Whilst I appreciate there is co-ordination, one thing that really
frustrates
passengers is the lack of information about TfL closures (and other
TOCs)
when they turn up at their local station, especially when the service
there
isn't running (but even when it is it can be unhelpful - I've been
caught
out by Jubilee line closures where the first I've been told about them
is
when I've got to the concourse at Stratford).

Really? You go out at the weekend without checking your journey on
Journey Planner?

I've learnt to the hard way. But the journey planner generally only tells me
fixed routes and not the engineering works directly. As my weekend is
generally ad hoc it's not always possible to have every route prepared in
advance.

(and yes, I know 20%ish of Londoners don't have home Internet access,
so it's not a perfect solution, but it's more than adequate for anyone
capable fo moaning about lack of provision on Usenet...)

True and I do now make an effort when I can, but this isn't an option easily
available to everyone.

In message of Mon, 14 Sep 2009
20:57:27 in uk.transport.london, Tim Roll-Pickering T.C.Roll-
writes

[snip]

Really? You go out at the weekend without checking your journey on
Journey Planner?

I've learnt to the hard way. But the journey planner generally only tells me
fixed routes and not the engineering works directly. As my weekend is
generally ad hoc it's not always possible to have every route prepared in
advance.

There is http://wap.tfl.gov.uk/planner for those with mobile Internet.
The pages are a few K rather than the few hundred K for http://journeyp
lanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&ptOptionsActive=1
I have no experience of using it at the weekend.
The realtime aspect of it is not as immediate as it might be.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/departureboards/ sadly seems
to have no wap equivalent. Hmm! http://wap.tfl.gov.uk/tfldepboard may
do the job.

I also have no experience of Journey Planner by text. It is described at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/mobileservices/sms.asp
--
Walter Briscoe

In message of Tue, 15 Sep 2009
11:30:15 in uk.transport.london, Walter Briscoe
writes
In message of Mon, 14 Sep 2009
20:57:27 in uk.transport.london, Tim Roll-Pickering T.C.Roll-
writes

[snip]

Really? You go out at the weekend without checking your journey on
Journey Planner?

I've learnt to the hard way. But the journey planner generally only tells me
fixed routes and not the engineering works directly. As my weekend is
generally ad hoc it's not always possible to have every route prepared in
advance.

There is http://wap.tfl.gov.uk/planner for those with mobile Internet.
The pages are a few K rather than the few hundred K for http://journeyp
lanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&ptOptionsActive=1
I have no experience of using it at the weekend.
The realtime aspect of it is not as immediate as it might be.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/departureboards/ sadly seems
to have no wap equivalent. Hmm! http://wap.tfl.gov.uk/tfldepboard may
do the job.

I am sorry that site is less useful than http://wap.tfl.gov.uk/planner
About 1010 on 16 September, at Aldgate, for the Anticlockwise Circle
Line, it reported "No realtime data" while the planner gave me 1008,
1014 and 1021.


I also have no experience of Journey Planner by text. It is described at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/mobileservices/sms.asp

--
Walter Briscoe