Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters are
also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has disappeared
and zones are no longer shown.

Nicks

Nicks wrote on 14 September 2009 22:34:32 ...
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters are
also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has disappeared
and zones are no longer shown.

Oh dear. The Thames is such a major feature of London, and its omission
doesn't help people to relate the Tube map to the actual geography,
especially around the Isle of Dogs.

As for not showing the zones, that's utterly crazy. It's essential
information for vast numbers of passengers.

The TfL site is still showing the March 2009 edition.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Sep 14, 10:34*pm, "Nicks" wrote:
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters are
also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has disappeared
and zones are no longer shown.

Nicks

WTF? I mean really, WTF? Is this a misprint I wonder? (If it isn't, I
can see why some could possibly argue about the presence or otherwise
of the rover - though I'd defo keep it - but why make the zones
disappear?)

Mizter T wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:34 pm, "Nicks" wrote:
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters
are also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has
disappeared and zones are no longer shown.

Nicks

WTF? I mean really, WTF? Is this a misprint I wonder? (If it isn't, I
can see why some could possibly argue about the presence or otherwise
of the rover...

Near Barking presumably?

Free in the Metro, an optional self adhesive river overlay, or a blue
highlighter...

Paul S

On 15 Sep, 12:36, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:34 pm, "Nicks" wrote:
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters
are also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has
disappeared and zones are no longer shown.

Nicks

WTF? I mean really, WTF? Is this a misprint I wonder? (If it isn't, I
can see why some could possibly argue about the presence or otherwise
of the rover...

Near Barking presumably?

Free in the Metro, an optional self adhesive river overlay, or a blue
highlighter...


People are getting all hung up about the river, but the much more
serious and sinister issue is that this is paving the way for the
abolition of travelcards and the restoration (already under way) of
point to point fares calculated by formulas not available to the
public.

On Sep 16, 9:16*pm, MIG wrote:

On 15 Sep, 12:36, "Paul Scott" wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:34 pm, "Nicks" wrote:
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters
are also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has
disappeared and zones are no longer shown.

WTF? I mean really, WTF? Is this a misprint I wonder? (If it isn't, I
can see why some could possibly argue about the presence or
otherwise of the rover...

Near Barking presumably?

Free in the Metro, an optional self adhesive river overlay, or a blue
highlighter...

People are getting all hung up about the river, but the much more
serious and sinister issue is that this is paving the way for the
abolition of travelcards and the restoration (already under way) of
point to point fares calculated by formulas not available to the
public.

A conspiracy theory too far, me thinks. Nowadays all rail fares
(whether Tube or mainline) are calculated on a zonal basis, which is a
significant change from yesteryear. The notion that the 'march to
zonality' is somehow going to be turned back now is somewhere between
East Ham and Upney (sorry!).

I do get a bit of why you say that, but I wouldn't go along with the
notion that it's a massive sinister plot.

In message
s.com of Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:16:19 in uk.transport.london, MIG
writes

[snip]

People are getting all hung up about the river, but the much more
serious and sinister issue is that this is paving the way for the
abolition of travelcards and the restoration (already under way) of
point to point fares calculated by formulas not available to the
public.

I wonder what you mean. I can think of Watford Junction peculiarities
and the difference between the printed and web versions of the two "Your
guide to fares and tickets ..." documents. The printed version says: "If
the time between touching in and touching out exceeds two and a half
hours you will be charged more than the Oyster single fare for your
journey." The actual time budget can now be as low as 70 minutes. I have
also seen suggestions that there will be no consistency between
Underground and National Rail fares when Pay As You Go is rolled out.
Do you refer to anything else?

Moving back to the map; it shows Marylebone to Bayswater via the TWO
Edgware Road stations as a reasonable route - an OSI between them would
make it slightly less unreasonable. Currently, that trip is ticketed as
TWO journeys. (I DO know a walk between Marylebone and Edgware Road
(subsurface) is more reasonable in that trip

I assume a continuing contract means IKEA has the right to dominate Tube
map posters - I would happily lose IKEA's yellow strip.

I find the new maps so much worse than the old that I wonder
"conspiracy?". I can't think who wins. The Mayor might think CUI BONO,
but is too bright to say so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono
--
Walter Briscoe

On 17 Sep, 06:03, Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message
s.com of Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:16:19 in uk.transport.london, MIG
writes

[snip]

People are getting all hung up about the river, but the much more
serious and sinister issue is that this is paving the way for the
abolition of travelcards and the restoration (already under way) of
point to point fares calculated by formulas not available to the
public.

I wonder what you mean. I can think of Watford Junction peculiarities
and the difference between the printed and web versions of the two "Your
guide to fares and tickets ..." documents. The printed version says: "If
the time between touching in and touching out exceeds two and a half
hours you will be charged more than the Oyster single fare for your
journey." The actual time budget can now be as low as 70 minutes. I have
also seen suggestions that there will be no consistency between
Underground and National Rail fares when Pay As You Go is rolled out.
Do you refer to anything else?

Moving back to the map; it shows Marylebone to Bayswater via the TWO
Edgware Road stations as a reasonable route - an OSI between them would
make it slightly less unreasonable. Currently, that trip is ticketed as
TWO journeys. (I DO know a walk between Marylebone and Edgware Road
(subsurface) is more reasonable in that trip

I assume a continuing contract means IKEA has the right to dominate Tube
map posters - I would happily lose IKEA's yellow strip.

I find the new maps so much worse than the old that I wonder
"conspiracy?". I can't think who wins. The Mayor might think CUI BONO,
but is too bright to say so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono
--
Walter Briscoe

Well, the thing is (in answer to Mizter T as well) that "conspiracy"
doesn't really consist of Blofeld and the rest sitting round a table
and planning to be evil.

It's more about how people will put more effort into things that fit
into their preferred vision for the future and less effort into things
that don't, and also cooperate with others who turn out to be thinking
the same way.

More importantly, they will do or approve things which happen to be
consistent with their preferred future, even if they have no active
plans for getting there.

So Boris, ie the Tories, undoubtedly prefers a future where fares can
be raised without it being blatantly obvious. Point to point PAYG
fares are much easier to raise in subtle ways by recalculations and so
on without appearing to be across-the-board increases (and without
people even noticing what they are paying with autotopup etc).

I'm quite sure that they have no actual plan for how they on Earth
they can just abolish zones and travelcards and raise fares, but I
also think that they'd love to have that situation. This map is just
one little logical building block that's consistent with that vision.

Nicks wrote:
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters are
also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has disappeared
and zones are no longer shown.

I'm rather puzzled because this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ered-maps.html

seems to show an 'OLD' map displaying the full extent of the ELLX, but
the 'NEW' map shows the old ELL including river crossing (despite the river
not being shown). Did the Daily Mail get it wrong?

Theo

Theo Markettos wrote:
Nicks wrote:
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters
are also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has
disappeared and zones are no longer shown.

I'm rather puzzled because this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ered-maps.html

seems to show an 'OLD' map displaying the full extent of the ELLX, but
the 'NEW' map shows the old ELL including river crossing (despite the
river not being shown). Did the Daily Mail get it wrong?


Certainly don't think that OLD map has been out in the wild, the full ELL is
a bit of a giveaway in that respect.

The new map does match some pictures I've seen on various sites, except I've
also seen it without the grid lines. The BBC's version is a bit clearer in
fact: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...9_Tube_Map.pdf

The ELL is shown in the Overground colour, with dashed lines denoting under
construction; but if the point of the map is to show where you can travel as
of today, why is it there at all?

I think it has been pointed out somewhere that the pocket map and latest
wall map are slightly different as well...

Paul