In message
, at
04:03:59 on Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Mizter T remarked:
[1] Or more specifically different sets of gatelines - sometimes these
can be at the same station, but the only example I can think of off-
hand is at KXSP, where thhere is an OSI between the Circle/Met
gateline and the tube ticket hall (and I also now the northern ticket
hall - *I think*) - this is despite the fact that you can circulate
between the Circle/Met platforms and the other lines totally within
the paid-for area.

Don't you need OSI anyway, for people interchanging with Thameslink?

(Which reminds us once again what a shame it is there isn't a tunnel
linking to the Thameslink platforms from the tube).
--
Roland Perry

On Mar 8, 1:54*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
, at
04:03:59 on Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Mizter T remarked:

[1] Or more specifically different sets of gatelines - sometimes these
can be at the same station, but the only example I can think of off-
hand is at KXSP, where there is an OSI between the Circle/Met
gateline and the tube ticket hall (and I also now the northern ticket
hall - *I think*) - this is despite the fact that you can circulate
between the Circle/Met platforms and the other lines totally within
the paid-for area.

Don't you need OSI anyway, for people interchanging with Thameslink?

There are multiple OSIs set up at Kings Cross and St Pancras that
cater for all the interchange possibilities - as you say Thameslink is
covered, as are FCC's Great Northern services out of King's Cross.

My comments only referred to the intra-Underground OSI at KXSP - i.e.
I was just trying to point out that the KXSP Underground station
complex has an OSI between different gatelines - between the Circle/
Met gateline and the Tube ticket hall gateline.

I think I've read somewhere that the new northern ticket hall (NTH)
gateline is treated the same as the original tube ticket hall
gateline, but I don't know the details - if so that would suggest that
there's no OSI configured if one was to exit through the NTH gateline
and re-enter at the original tube ticket hall gateline. But I haven't
tested this, and I haven't checked the most recent OSI list that's
been obtained under the FOIA.


(Which reminds us once again what a shame it is there isn't a tunnel
linking to the Thameslink platforms from the tube).

I wonder why this wasn't done - a passageway linking the 'mezzanine'
level (above the Thameslink platforms but effectively a floor below
the ground floor of the rest of St P station) to the newly opened
passageway that links the NTH to the eastern side of St P would indeed
have been a useful thing.

I wonder if there's something else lurking down there that's in the
way? Though most of the 'back-stage' stuff at St P appears to happen
above ground.

Mizter T wrote:
On Mar 8, 1:54 pm, Roland Perry wrote:


(Which reminds us once again what a shame it is there isn't a tunnel
linking to the Thameslink platforms from the tube).

I wonder why this wasn't done - a passageway linking the 'mezzanine'
level (above the Thameslink platforms but effectively a floor below
the ground floor of the rest of St P station) to the newly opened
passageway that links the NTH to the eastern side of St P would indeed
have been a useful thing.

I wonder if there's something else lurking down there that's in the
way? Though most of the 'back-stage' stuff at St P appears to happen
above ground.

The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator down from
the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

Paul S

In message , at 14:59:57 on
Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Paul Scott remarked:
The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator down from
the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

I can't visualise any an escalators at the StP main entrance, sorry.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:59:57 on
Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Paul Scott remarked:
The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator
down from the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

I can't visualise any an escalators at the StP main entrance, sorry.

The 'main entrance' facing KX, at the east end of the concourse where the
EMT ticket offices are...

Paul S

In message , at 15:55:03 on
Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Paul Scott remarked:
The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator
down from the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

I can't visualise any an escalators at the StP main entrance, sorry.

The 'main entrance' facing KX, at the east end of the concourse where the
EMT ticket offices are...

Oh, that entrance. I always look on that as a side door...
--
Roland Perry

On Mar 8, 8:28*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 15:55:03 on
Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Paul Scott remarked:

The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator
down from the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

I can't visualise any an escalators at the StP main entrance, sorry.

The 'main entrance' facing KX, at the east end of the concourse where the
EMT ticket offices are...

Oh, that entrance. I always look on that as a side door...

It's as good a main entrance as St P has I suppose - it's got the
grandeur and scale of a main entrance, which none of the other ways in
have (though if you're arriving by taxi or being dropped off in a car
on Pancras Road you're more likely to use the side entrance a little
bit further south). Things may be different when the new hotel and
apartments are finally finished next year - this might provide a
'proper' entrance onto Euston Road.

On Mar 8, 2:59*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On Mar 8, 1:54 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
(Which reminds us once again what a shame it is there isn't a tunnel
linking to the Thameslink platforms from the tube).

I wonder why this wasn't done - a passageway linking the 'mezzanine'
level (above the Thameslink platforms but effectively a floor below
the ground floor of the rest of St P station) to the newly opened
passageway that links the NTH to the eastern side of St P would indeed
have been a useful thing.

I wonder if there's something else lurking down there that's in the
way? Though most of the 'back-stage' stuff at St P appears to happen
above ground.

The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator down from
the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

That's all new to me, I must have missed the earlier threads - how
fascinating.

I've found this photo of a model of the various tunnels in the area -
according to a comment from the Mr Thant on another forum that I've
just found, the Fleet is in the straight light grey tube:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blech/2448629234/

I'm trying to envisage which escalators it might be behind (which
depends on whether the trajectory alters or not)...

Mizter T wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:59 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

I wonder if there's something else lurking down there that's in the
way? Though most of the 'back-stage' stuff at St P appears to happen
above ground.

The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator
down from the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

That's all new to me, I must have missed the earlier threads - how
fascinating.

I've found this photo of a model of the various tunnels in the area -
according to a comment from the Mr Thant on another forum that I've
just found, the Fleet is in the straight light grey tube:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blech/2448629234/

I'm trying to envisage which escalators it might be behind (which
depends on whether the trajectory alters or not)...

Imagine you are going from the NTH towards St Pancras, using the subway
beneath St Pancras Rd. There are escalators leading up (into the corner of
the glass box) which is the main entrance via the cross passage towards the
'UK ticket hall'. If you could get behind those escalators - or in fact if
you bear to the right towards the other escalators that lead towards the HS
domestic platforms, just past the lift, then the Fleet sewer is at the same
level immediately on the other side the left hand wall.

[If you can confirm if your gmail address is read I can send you a useful
site plan...]

Paul S

On Mar 8, 4:14*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On Mar 8, 2:59 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I wonder if there's something else lurking down there that's in the
way? Though most of the 'back-stage' stuff at St P appears to happen
above ground.

The Fleet Sewer apparently lies immediately behind the escalator
down from the St P main entrance, according to earlier threads/posts.

That's all new to me, I must have missed the earlier threads - how
fascinating.

I've found this photo of a model of the various tunnels in the area -
according to a comment from the Mr Thant on another forum that I've
just found, the Fleet is in the straight light grey tube:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blech/2448629234/

I'm trying to envisage which escalators it might be behind (which
depends on whether the trajectory alters or not)...

Imagine you are going from the NTH towards St Pancras, using the subway
beneath St Pancras Rd. There are escalators leading up (into the corner of
the glass box) which is the main entrance via the cross passage towards the
'UK ticket hall'. If you could get behind those escalators - or in fact if
you bear to the right towards the other escalators that lead towards the HS
domestic platforms, just past the lift, then the Fleet sewer is at the same
level immediately on the other side the left hand wall.

OK, yeah I think I've got it.


[If you can confirm if your gmail address is real I can send you a useful
site plan...]

It is real - and that'd be good, thanks.