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Matt B ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately owned
and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?


Of the "transport systems" I can think of neither the sky, sea, canals,
railway tracks (save the channel tunnel) or roads are privately owned.


The railway tracks are certainly privately owned.

There's no specific infrastructure in the sky to "own", but the
infrastructure that is provided is definitely privately owned.

Same for the sea.

Canals, I don't know. Are they owned by British Waterways, or just managed?
www.britishwaterways.co.uk - looks like it's "managed" and they're a private
co. sponsored by DEFRA. Ownership isn't clear from a quick look.

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Blackpool Transport is a wholly-owned part of Blackpool Council, IIRC,
operating both trams and buses. They are run as a separate business
in practical terms, however.

Warrington Buses too are independant.
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"MeatballTurbo" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
Blackpool Transport is a wholly-owned part of Blackpool Council, IIRC,
operating both trams and buses. They are run as a separate business
in practical terms, however.

Warrington Buses too are independant.


But do they also own the road on which they run on?



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On 11 Dec 2003, Adrian wrote:

Matt B ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately owned
and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?


Of the "transport systems" I can think of neither the sky, sea, canals,
railway tracks (save the channel tunnel) or roads are privately owned.


The railway tracks are certainly privately owned.


Sort of. The track is owned by Network Rail, which is a private company,
but has a rather odd setup - no shareholders, just members, with profits
being reinvested. It's not really like a normal private company, and it
certainly doesn't compete in a free market or anything. It's more like a
government agency which happens to be limited by guarantee than a company.
Or something.

I'm sure someone'll correct me if i'm wrong.

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"Cast_Iron" wrote...
With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately owned
and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?


Of the "transport systems" I can think of neither the sky, sea, canals,
railway tracks (save the channel tunnel) or roads are privately owned.

The sky's privately managed (although the airlines who invested in it
don't expect to recoup their money anytime soon)

Isn't the Manchester Ship Canal privately owned?
The Festiniog railway was last time I checked!

There are private roads all over the country, including one at Sydenham
where tolls are collected.


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"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
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With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately owned
and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?

Most of the road system is in private hands (cars/bikes/trucks).

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Cast_Iron wrote:

With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately owned
and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?


http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk...contract.shtml

"A13 Thames Gateway

"Design, Build, Finance and Operate (DBFO) Contract

"The works are being undertaken under a Design, Build, Finance and
Operate (DBFO) contract on behalf of
Transport for London (Tf L) Street Management by Road Management Services
(A13) plc (RMS). RMS is a
wholly owned subsidiary of RMS Holdings, owned equally by AMEC, Alfred
McAlpine, Halliburton Brown & Root and Dragados."


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"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message
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Cast_Iron wrote:

With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately owned
and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?


http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk...contract.shtml

"A13 Thames Gateway

"Design, Build, Finance and Operate (DBFO) Contract

"The works are being undertaken under a Design, Build, Finance and
Operate (DBFO) contract on behalf of
Transport for London (Tf L) Street Management by Road Management Services
(A13) plc (RMS). RMS is a
wholly owned subsidiary of RMS Holdings, owned equally by AMEC, Alfred
McAlpine, Halliburton Brown & Root and Dragados."



Which road will be 24.3 kms long. When set against 397412 kilometers of road
nationaly it's not even a layby.


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"athomik" wrote in message
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"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
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With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately owned
and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?

Most of the road system is in private hands (cars/bikes/trucks).


Those are the vehicles, not the way upon which they run.


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Cast_Iron wrote:
"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message
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Cast_Iron wrote:

With one exception all transport systems in the UK are privately
owned and/or managed.

Why should the roads be any different?


http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk...contract.shtml

"A13 Thames Gateway

"Design, Build, Finance and Operate (DBFO) Contract

"The works are being undertaken under a Design, Build, Finance and
Operate (DBFO) contract on behalf of
Transport for London (Tf L) Street Management by Road Management
Services (A13) plc (RMS). RMS is a
wholly owned subsidiary of RMS Holdings, owned equally by AMEC,
Alfred McAlpine, Halliburton Brown & Root and Dragados."


Which road will be 24.3 kms long. When set against 397412 kilometers
of road nationaly it's not even a layby.


The trunk road network is, of course, operated and maintained by private
companies on behalf of the HA. New trunk roads or major improvements are
now often carried out os DBFO's




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