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Unique pedestrian crossing in Burnt Oak
"John Rowland" typed
Hi all, I have often seen footage of foreign crossroads with 2 diagonal pedestrian crossings in addition to the 4 orthogonal crossings we usually have here in Britain. Today I found a crossroads with all six crossings just east of Burnt Oak tube station in Northwest London. According to the nearest person I could accost, it's been like that for about 2 or 3 years. Is this the only one in Britain? It seems to have been there too long to be a trial. The junction of Watling Avenue, Orange Hill Road & Gervase Road, I presume. I think I've seen something similar in the north of England (possibly Leeds Briggate) BICBW. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Unique pedestrian crossing in Burnt Oak
Helen Deborah Vecht wrote in message ...
"John Rowland" typed Hi all, I have often seen footage of foreign crossroads with 2 diagonal pedestrian crossings in addition to the 4 orthogonal crossings we usually have here in Britain. Today I found a crossroads with all six crossings just east of Burnt Oak tube station in Northwest London. According to the nearest person I could accost, it's been like that for about 2 or 3 years. Is this the only one in Britain? It seems to have been there too long to be a trial. The junction of Watling Avenue, Orange Hill Road & Gervase Road, I presume. I think I've seen something similar in the north of England (possibly Leeds Briggate) BICBW. There are a few more (can't remember where off-hand). One reason why they're not seen more often is that the diagonal crossing distance is longer, therefore more time has to be given for pedestrians to clear the crossing. I am aware of examples where a diagonal crossing has been considered but rejected because this additional crossing time would result in unacceptable traffic queues. Obviously this means the (orthagonal) pedestrian crossing route is longer - but who cares about them! |
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Unique pedestrian crossing in Burnt Oak
"umpston" wrote in message om... I am aware of examples where a diagonal crossing has been considered but rejected because this additional crossing time would result in unacceptable traffic queues. Obviously this means the (orthagonal) pedestrian crossing route is longer - but who cares about them! The planners would appear to have cared about pedestrians because the considered the diagonal option. There are places where having traffic queuing at one set of lights will back up to the point where it interferes with other junctions. Which could then spread and help no-one. All junction timings are a balancing act, sometimes pedestrians are prioritised, other times road traffic. I'd prefer traffic and pedestrian flows to be optimised rather than dogmatically choosing one over the other. Dave. |
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Unique pedestrian crossing in Burnt Oak
"Dave Liney" wrote in message ...
"umpston" wrote in message om... I am aware of examples where a diagonal crossing has been considered but rejected because this additional crossing time would result in unacceptable traffic queues. Obviously this means the (orthagonal) pedestrian crossing route is longer - but who cares about them! The planners would appear to have cared about pedestrians because the considered the diagonal option. ..... and rejected it - in the case I was referring to There are places where having traffic queuing at one set of lights will back up to the point where it interferes with other junctions. Which could then spread and help no-one. All junction timings are a balancing act, sometimes pedestrians are prioritised, other times road traffic. I'd prefer traffic and pedestrian flows to be optimised rather than dogmatically choosing one over the other. I agree absolutely. Diagonal crossings are only likely to be feasible where either traffic is light enough or where the road is wide enough for multi-lane approaches long enough to reduce potential traffic queuing problems (generally the wider the approaches, the more vehicles will get through the junction in the same length of time). There is, of course, another trade-off here between the traffic queuing-time saved by having wider roads versus the additional time needed for pedestrians to cross them. Limited road-width is another reason why diagonal crossings are less likely to be found in this country. We tend to have narrower roads in our urban areas. |
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