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Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jnon oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
On Aug 24, 9:22*pm, "SteveL" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: [...] Maybe instead of working on the basis of Bakerloo-Victoria-NLL, the default fare is instead based on taking a fast train from H&W to Euston, then Vic line to H&I, then NLL to Hackney? (Though yes, that would inevitably entail passing through ticket gates in zone 1 twice at Euston NR & LU.) Indeed, whilst the NR journey planner suggests travelling via a change at Willesden Jn and then the NLL for nearly all journeys, the TfL Journey Planner alternately suggests that route and the fast train to Euston route - and the latter is shown as being faster at around 45 mins compared to 55 mins for the former. Thinking aloud, I dare say that 'default fares' are generated by some sort of routing algorithm, and it takes a bit of human intervention to alter them (which hasn't happened here)? Given the need to pass through gates in zone 1 if travelling via Euston (which would inevitably mean a via-z1 fare being charged), I think it'd be fair enough to change the default fare so as to assume the non-z1 route, i.e. changing at Willesden Jn. The way that I see it is that where there are two routes with different prices, the default is the higher priced route, by touching your card onto a pink validator you get switched onto the lower fare. Being realistic, if the default was the cheaper route then how many people voluntarily admit to having taken the higher-priced route. Understood - though if travelling via a fast train from H&W to Euston then one doesn't really have a choice about whether to 'admit' going via zone 1, as one is compelled to negotiate at least one gateline at Euston LU (whether one has to negotiate another gateline at Euston NR depends whether or not the train arrives in to one of the suburban platforms - though regardless of where it arrives, a punter should touch-out on exit at Euston NR anyway) - so the very act of choosing the Euston route flags up the journey as via zone 1. Of course that doesn't cover punters who travel via the Bakerloo line to Oxford Circus, then the Vic line to H&I, then the NLL to Hackney Central - but under normal situations that's really not a very logical route these days, i.e. in the context of the much improved NLL service (it's certainly not a route that any journey planner suggests). However the shear number of origin/destination pairs in London likely makes in-depth of pondering all the options for all potential journeys unrealistic - and it'd be understandable if, for routes where two (or more) fares could exist, there'd be some automatic presumption that the cheaper fare would apply to those pax who used the pink Oyster route validator at the relevant interchange (if provided). As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. |
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