On 09/12/2011 12:17, Mizter T wrote:
[Cross-posted to uk.railway, where answers may lie...]

"David Cantrell" wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk"
by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his
homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London
Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service
existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

I don't know about 1890, but in the 1960s when I lived in
Wimbledon there certainly was a service to Holborn Viaduct which
called at London Bridge and Blackfriars - this was before the
'Thameslink' service was developed, of course.

Charlie

"Charlie Hulme" wrote in message
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On 09/12/2011 12:17, Mizter T wrote:
[Cross-posted to uk.railway, where answers may lie...]

"David Cantrell" wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk"
by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his
homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London
Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service
existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

I don't know about 1890, but in the 1960s when I lived in Wimbledon there
certainly was a service to Holborn Viaduct which called at London Bridge
and Blackfriars - this was before the 'Thameslink' service was developed,
of course.

I doubt it. After the July 1967 SR timetable revision there certainly was a
service that connected Wimbledon with London Bridge, Blackfriars and Holborn
Viaduct, but the routing was London Bridge - Forest Hill - West Croydon -
Sutton - Wimbledon - Tooting - Tulse Hill - Herne Hill - Blackfriars -
Holborn Viaduct. This would not have been possible in 1890, as the
Wimbledon - Sutton line didn't open until 1930. Before Thameslink there were
very few passenger trains which used the spur from London Bridge to
Blackfriars, typically in the 1960s only the 0417 Orpington to Holborn
Viaduct, the 0100 Holborn Viaduct to Orpington, and at one time the 0255
Holborn Viaduct to Ramsgate Passenger and News.

However, as to the OP's question, the answer is quite possibly. In 1904
there was a 6.15 pm from London Bridge to Wimbledon via Peckham Rye, Tulse
Hill and Tooting. The lione from Streatham Junction to Wimbledon (both the
current route via Haydons Road and the abandoned route via Merton Abbey) was
the joint property of the LBSCR and LSWR.

Peter

On 09/12/2011 16:18, Peter Masson wrote:

[I said]

I don't know about 1890, but in the 1960s when I lived in
Wimbledon there certainly was a service to Holborn Viaduct
which called at London Bridge and Blackfriars - this was before
the 'Thameslink' service was developed, of course.



I doubt it.
After the July 1967 SR timetable revision there
certainly was a service that connected Wimbledon with London
Bridge, Blackfriars and Holborn Viaduct, but the routing was
London Bridge - Forest Hill - West Croydon - Sutton - Wimbledon -
Tooting - Tulse Hill - Herne Hill - Blackfriars - Holborn
Viaduct. This would not have been possible in 1890, as the
Wimbledon - Sutton line didn't open until 1930.

So one could travel direct from London Bridge but not to it? I'm
not clear what you're doubting, although I'm sure you are right
as I'm working from distant memory. You are of course right about
the Wimbledon - Sutton line being of late date.

I arrived in Wimbledon in September 1967, I didn't realise that I
was seeing a new service pattern, although I did discover I'd
missed the last steam trains by just a few months.

Charlie



Charlie

"Charlie Hulme" wrote in message
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On 09/12/2011 16:18, Peter Masson wrote:

[I said]

I don't know about 1890, but in the 1960s when I lived in
Wimbledon there certainly was a service to Holborn Viaduct
which called at London Bridge and Blackfriars - this was before
the 'Thameslink' service was developed, of course.



I doubt it.
After the July 1967 SR timetable revision there
certainly was a service that connected Wimbledon with London
Bridge, Blackfriars and Holborn Viaduct, but the routing was
London Bridge - Forest Hill - West Croydon - Sutton - Wimbledon -
Tooting - Tulse Hill - Herne Hill - Blackfriars - Holborn
Viaduct. This would not have been possible in 1890, as the
Wimbledon - Sutton line didn't open until 1930.

So one could travel direct from London Bridge but not to it? I'm not clear
what you're doubting, although I'm sure you are right as I'm working from
distant memory. You are of course right about the Wimbledon - Sutton line
being of late date.

I arrived in Wimbledon in September 1967, I didn't realise that I was
seeing a new service pattern, although I did discover I'd missed the last
steam trains by just a few months.

Charlie



Charlie


I'm sure I worked London Bridge to London Bridge via Tulse Hill, Wimbledon,
Sutton and Forest Hill in 1980, seems a long time ago now.

"Pat O'Neill" wrote in message
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I'm sure I worked London Bridge to London Bridge via Tulse Hill,
Wimbledon, Sutton and Forest Hill in 1980, seems a long time ago now.

I'm sure that's right, but I'm not sure about the Forest Hill bit. I lived
in Tooting from 1980 to 1982. The standard off-peak service was London
Bridge-Peckham Rye-Tulse Hill-Streatham-Tooting-Wimbledon-Sutton-Mitcham
Junction-Streatham, then London Bridge via Peckham Rye again. In practice
they were advertised to Sutton IIRC. Stock was 4-SUB.

However, in the peaks they dived off down the 1 in 66 from Tulse Hill to
Herne Hill for Blackfriars and Holborn Viaduct. Herne Hill was always
entertaining because you had to cross the Boat Train Route on the level,
which meant fancy footwork by the signaller. With luck you'd get a 12-car +
MLV coming through. Those MLVs always seemed to pack quite a punch.

Regards

Jonathan

"Jonathan Morton" wrote in
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"Pat O'Neill" wrote in message
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I'm sure I worked London Bridge to London Bridge via Tulse Hill,
Wimbledon, Sutton and Forest Hill in 1980, seems a long time ago now.

I'm sure that's right, but I'm not sure about the Forest Hill bit. I lived
in Tooting from 1980 to 1982. The standard off-peak service was London
Bridge-Peckham Rye-Tulse Hill-Streatham-Tooting-Wimbledon-Sutton-Mitcham
Junction-Streatham, then London Bridge via Peckham Rye again. In practice
they were advertised to Sutton IIRC. Stock was 4-SUB.

However, in the peaks they dived off down the 1 in 66 from Tulse Hill to
Herne Hill for Blackfriars and Holborn Viaduct. Herne Hill was always
entertaining because you had to cross the Boat Train Route on the level,
which meant fancy footwork by the signaller. With luck you'd get a 12-car
+ MLV coming through. Those MLVs always seemed to pack quite a punch.

Regards

Jonathan

Quite a few scenarios for LB to LB rounders I had to learn quite a few.

Once upon a time, Pat O'Neill wrote:

I'm sure I worked London Bridge to London Bridge via Tulse Hill,
Wimbledon, Sutton and Forest Hill in 1980, seems a long time ago now.

I managed to read that as that you'd worked that way in 1890, which was
indeed a very long time ago! Vampires of uk.railway?

--
- The Iron Jelloid

"The Iron Jelloid" wrote in message
...
Once upon a time, Pat O'Neill wrote:

I'm sure I worked London Bridge to London Bridge via Tulse Hill,
Wimbledon, Sutton and Forest Hill in 1980, seems a long time ago now.

I managed to read that as that you'd worked that way in 1890, which was
indeed a very long time ago! Vampires of uk.railway?

--
- The Iron Jelloid

That's just a rumour I've been at Purley Loco since it was built in 1898.

"Charlie Hulme" wrote

So one could travel direct from London Bridge but not to it? I'm not clear
what you're doubting, although I'm sure you are right as I'm working from
distant memory. You are of course right about the Wimbledon - Sutton line
being of late date.

You could get a through train in either direction between London Bridge and
Wimbledon in 1967, but it would go via West Croydon and Sutton. Currently
there are a few contra-peak direct trains between London Bridge and
Wimbledon via Peckham Rye, Tulse Hill and Tooting.

Peter

On Dec 9, 12:30*pm, Charlie Hulme
wrote:
On 09/12/2011 12:17, Mizter T wrote:

[Cross-posted to uk.railway, where answers may lie...]

"David Cantrell" wrote:
I'm reading the new Sherlock Holmes story "The House of Silk"
by Anthony
Horowitz, and I'm very much afraid that he hasn't done his
homework
properly. He mentions a train service from Wimbledon to London
Bridge
in November 1890. I very much doubt that such a service
existed, am I
right? I'd like to check my facts before mentioning it in my book
review!

I don't know about 1890, but in the 1960s when I lived in
Wimbledon there certainly was a service to Holborn Viaduct which
called at London Bridge and Blackfriars - this was before the
'Thameslink' service was developed, of course.

Charlie

I have a facsimile LSWR timetable from 1914; this shows a regular
service from Ludgate Hill/St Paul's (now Blackfriars) to Wimbledon
plus a frequent rail motor service between Streatham and Wimbledon;
did any of these run through to London Bridge? The Streatham -
Wimbledon line (including the Merton Abbey loop) was jointly owned by
the LSWR and LBSCR, opening in 1868, so in theory a train service
could have run from London Bridge to Wimbledon. I do not know if the
LSWR timetable shows all services over the line, so there may have
been additional LBSCR services outwith the joint running agreement
that are not shown.