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Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
On Dec 30, 6:09*am, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 29.12.2011 22:25, schrieb The Real Doctor: On 29/12/11 21:05, Lüko Willms wrote: The thing is that railway workers are workers, and not so easily purged as all the professors at the university and journalists in the media. And if there is one group who should know about purging, it's apologists for Stalinism.[1] * *Whatever; the purge in the ex-GDR was of a magnitude which exceeded everything ever experienced under the rule of a stalinist burocrady. There is something especially poisonous about Stalinists, still attempting to minimise his crimes so long after Khrushchev's secret speech, isn't there? Are you seriously saying that there was mass- killings and show-trials in Germany post-unification on a scale to dwarf the killings in 1937-8? ian |
Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
Am 30.12.2011 19:42, schrieb Hans-Joachim Zierke:
Please name the "German equivalent of TUPE". Betriebsübergang. BGB Paragraph 613a: http://dejure.org/gesetze/BGB/613a.html MfG, L.W. |
Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
Am 30.12.2011 19:08, schrieb Neil Williams:
That is what is happening in the Thatcherized Britain, but not in Germany. TUPE is not Thatcherite, quite the opposite. I know, having the franchise changes in the railways is one thing her politics could not smash. Is there no German equivalent? Yes, the issue is called "Betriebsübergang", and BGB (Civil code) paragraph 613a describes the rights of workers under such a change. The english translation of BGB gives "Rights and duties in the case of transfer of business" as the title of that section: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bgb/englisch_bgb.html#p2428 But the German rulers have conceived the tendering of transit operations more to the way you would chose your paperhanger or construction company or the janitor or office cleaning company: you call another service provider who brings his own personnel and tools and machinery. In the case of railway operations, bringing their own engineers, locomotives and other rolling stock, guards, etc etc. (There are some exceptions, where the Land or the designated public transit authority is the owner of the rolling stock, in order to "facilite competition"). To the difference of the British rail privatization, this does very well allow to drive wages down. I guess the German capitalist politicians have also thought of this when they decided their way of railway privatisation: maintaining the DB AG as a "national champion" who could become an international "player" (today effectively the 200 pound gorilla in the European transport market), while introducing a tendering system which allows upstarts to win market share from the "incumbent" mainly by paying lower wages, and by this token putting pressure on the wages at DB and other (former) public transport companies. A number of municipal transit companies (e.g. the Frankfurt/Main one, the one of Berlin, and others) have set up a low wage bus company where bus drivers are paid 30% less than the ones employed directly according to the old public sector collective bargaining contracts. To add insult to injury, in most cases Social-Democrats and trade union burocrats have voted for such moves, in order to "save the public company" which would otherwise lose out completely to the private competitors from Veolia etc with their lower wage bus drivers. Cheers, L.W. |
Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
Am 30.12.2011 19:58, schrieb ian batten:
There is something especially poisonous about Stalinists, still attempting to minimise his crimes so long after Khrushchev's secret speech, isn't there? Are you seriously saying that there was mass- killings and show-trials in Germany post-unification on a scale to dwarf the killings in 1937-8? If you could read or even understand what you are reading, you would not ask such silly questions. Show trials were held, yes. Mass killings not, but lots of people got thrown into misery, with their old age pensions cut because of their political stance. But there are lots of German capitalist politicians who dream of using the army against their own population. In Afghanistan they have tested a terrorist attack killing 150 people by making two tank lorry explode, which were stuck in a sand bank in a middle of a river crossing, unable to move forth or back. But I can't let you blur the actual issue we are discussing he the railway workers in Berlin, whose social conquests of the past 6 decades could not be destroyed by the FRG taking over the GDR, what Herr Schnell now wants to accomplish by dissolving the current S-Bahn Berlin GmbH and making all their workers jobless. L.W. |
Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could it
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Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could it
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:22:20 +0000 (UTC)
Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote: schrieb: People are not dumb cattle and will not just sit on a train with no information forever if they can get out and continue their journey on foot. This has happened in the UK a number of times and train operators need to take human behaviour into account when failures happen. Just expecting people to sit and wait for an indeterminate period of time and do nothing is moronic. I think that this here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRhNAql6foA qualifies for "moronic". If you listen at 0:29 it says a message from the conductor asked them to leave the train and the doors were opened onto the track, not the platform. So it wasn't the passengers fault. Unless my french language isn't as good as I thought. B2003 |
Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could it
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:51:41 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:31:20 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On 29 Dec 2011 12:16:58 GMT Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote: Without the angry passengers, it might have been 1 hour. "Persons on the tracks" means, that operation can't resume, even with everything back to normal. People are not dumb cattle and will not just sit on a train with no information forever if they can get out and continue their journey on foot. So not dumb cattle but still a bit thick WRT hazard awareness ? Perhaps they are. They're going to get off though. B2003 |
Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
On 30/12/11 16:38, Lüko Willms wrote:
But you have sense of facts: you know how to avoid them like the plague. Stop it. You're killing me. And no machine gun nests needed. Ian |
Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
On 30/12/11 21:39, Lüko Willms wrote:
Show trials were held, yes. Mass killings not Is that you defending the Gulags again? Ian |
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