Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
 

On 01/01/2012 15:13, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
wrote in
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Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:21:23 +0100
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Subject: Single point of failure in the Berlin Train System

The Berlin light rail train system, plagued by problems for years,
demonstrated today that it can, indeed get worse.

I wouldn't call the S-Bahn "light rail". By the usual standards it's
"heavy rail".

Berliners joked that it could not possibly get worse, but today (15
Dec 2011) the S-Bahn proved that it could, indeed, because it has a
single point of failure.

Failures in 2009/2010 were caused by lack of maintenance, leading to
shortages in rolling stock. The ultimate cause was the closedown of a
vital workshop due to company policy of channeling money to the owner
company as profits. It remains to be seen if the latest failure can be
ascribed to the same cause.

So, would you say that things on the Berlin S-Bahn are better now or
during the DDR era, when Deutsche Reichsbahn was operating that system?

Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
 

On 01/01/2012 16:48, Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:

Wolfgang Schwanke schrieb:


By US standards, it would be, but by US standards, the ICE is a light
rail system, too.

What? :)


Have a look at the weight of the Acela, in order to understand the
sentence. Acela is, what you get with FRA regulations.


Okay, this might be more useful for understanding:
http://zierke.com/shasta_route/siden...tyconcept.html




Hans-Joachim





Why are there two cab signal indicators in the photo? The upper one
looks like it has five aspects, by the way, whereas I thought that the
NEC has only four.

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Am 31.12.2011 15:14, schrieb Graeme Wall:
You still stick to maintain as much as possible of the colonial empire
of your master. Poor slave...

Oh, talk about the Malvinas Islands, Ireland, what have you.

Here comes another with the same "me and my master" attitude cheering
up the miserable rests of the British colonial empi

So you can demonstrate your appalling ignorance of the situation in
those places?



L.W.

Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
 

Am 01.01.2012 16:16, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:
Oliver wrote in
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This rotten company in Berlin should be closed. Tendering the S-Bahn
services could be the first step.

Re-nationalise it. A different commercial operator will squeeze it for
profit just like the current one.

Actually Herr Schnell wants to squeeze _more_ profit out of the
Berlin S-Bahn operations. He only thinks that the current workers
trained in the GDR traditions are hindering such squeezing, for which
they should be shown the torture instruments, like Hartz4.


L.W.

Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
 

Am 01.01.2012 16:13, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:
Failures in 2009/2010 were caused by lack of maintenance, leading to
shortages in rolling stock. The ultimate cause was the closedown of a
vital workshop due to company policy of channeling money to the owner
company as profits. It remains to be seen if the latest failure can be
ascribed to the same cause.

Maybe, but not under the responsibility of "S-Bahn Berlin GmbH", but
of "DB Netz AG".


Cheers,
L.W.

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On 01/01/2012 18:10, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 31.12.2011 15:14, schrieb Graeme Wall:
You still stick to maintain as much as possible of the colonial empire
of your master. Poor slave...

Oh, talk about the Malvinas Islands, Ireland, what have you.

Here comes another with the same "me and my master" attitude cheering up
the miserable rests of the British colonial empi


Another of your meaningless pieces of nonsense?


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
 

Am 01.01.2012 19:17, schrieb Graeme Wall:
Another of your meaningless pieces of nonsense?

talking to yourself, eh?

Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could ithappen here...??
 

On 01/01/2012 18:18, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 01.01.2012 19:17, schrieb Graeme Wall:
Another of your meaningless pieces of nonsense?

talking to yourself, eh?




Ah, the last resort of the clueless.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

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On 01/01/2012 17:58, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
wrote
in :

Failures in 2009/2010 were caused by lack of maintenance, leading to
shortages in rolling stock. The ultimate cause was the closedown of a
vital workshop due to company policy of channeling money to the owner
company as profits. It remains to be seen if the latest failure can be
ascribed to the same cause.

So, would you say that things on the Berlin S-Bahn are better now or
during the DDR era, when Deutsche Reichsbahn was operating that system?

Are you Lüko's twin? That's a silly question.

I'm asking purely out of curiosity -- no other reason.

Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could it happen here...??
 

On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:16:43 +0100, Wolfgang Schwanke
wrote:
Re-nationalise it. A different commercial operator will squeeze it
for
profit just like the current one.

DB isn't really a commercial operator; all their shares are owned by
the German Government, no?

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK