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Neil Williams schrieb:


TUPE is not Thatcherite, quite the opposite.

Is there no German equivalent?


As soon as we talk transfer of companies: Sure there is.

But this is not relevant to the discussion.


These rules protect you as an employee, if your bakery is taken over by
another bakery. They do nothing for you, if your bakery looses the
contract with the local hotel, which decides to buy the bread from a
bakery in the neighbour village.



Hans-Joachim



--

Frieda Uffelmann * 15. August 1915 â€* 9. Dezember 2011

http://zierke.com/private/tante_frie...abgestellt.jpg

Complete (almost) Shutdown of Berlin Train System - could it?happen here...??
 

Am 31.12.2011 11:28, schrieb Hans-Joachim Zierke:

TUPE

or German "Betriebsübergang"

this is not relevant to the discussion.


These rules protect you as an employee, if your bakery is taken over by
another bakery. They do nothing for you, if your bakery looses the
contract with the local hotel, which decides to buy the bread from a
bakery in the neighbour village.

You are again writing nonsense.

Of course it is relevant. The operation of traffic on a given network
can be done only by one operator.

To use your example: your local hotel orders their old baker to
evacuate his premises and to hand them over to a new contractor.

Sure, the German capitalists have done their utmost to drive down
wages, and fools like to support them in this. Poor slave adoring the
whip of his master coming down...


L.W.

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Am 30.12.2011 19:48, schrieb Hans-Joachim Zierke:

Oliver Schnell schrieb:


In the very end such investments *should* show (that does not necessarily
mean, that there actually will be) a reasonable interest. So
irrespective if the capital needed is from profits of subsidised
traffic or other sources, a reasonable ROI has to apply.

Please name /any/ foreign investment of DB, which shows a decent ROI.

I have no idea, but this is irrelevant, concerning where the money comes
from.


BTW: You could be also interested in lower fares, more comfort, more ...

Sure, but "more trains" is what we really got, paid by the saved
subsidies, so that's realistic.

We didn't get lower fares or more comfort.

Wochenendticket and Ländertickets meanwhile exist for quite a while and
rotten Silberlinge are out of service or revamped (for the few remaining).

Oliver Schnell

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On 31/12/11 10:42, Lüko Willms wrote:
Sure, the German capitalists have done their utmost to drive down wages,
and fools like to support them in this.

Just remind us, will you, what the GDP per head was in (a) the DDR and
(b) the BRD immediately before reunification?

Ian

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On Dec 31, 10:24*am, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 31.12.2011 09:02, schrieb ian batten:

* claiming Stalin didn't kill his political opponents.

* *Do you?

Your inability to answer a simple question shows you're either deluded
or a liar. How unusual on the hard left.

ian

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On 31/12/11 10:23, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 31.12.2011 10:49, schrieb The Real Doctor:
The difference between us is that I think Stalin's concentration camps
were as bad as Hitler's and that Soviet colonialism in Europe was as
immoral as European colonialism in Africa.

You put that on equal terms in order to embellish the history of
colonialism.

That doesn't actually mean anything, you know. Auf Deutsch?

You still stick to maintain as much as possible of the colonial empire
of your master. Poor slave...

Nope. Couldn't care less about the remaining colonies. As long as the
people who live there want to be part of Britain, let 'em. If they
decide they want to leave, that's fine by me.

Ian

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On Dec 31, 11:05*am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 31/12/11 10:42, Lüko Willms wrote:

Sure, the German capitalists have done their utmost to drive down wages,
and fools like to support them in this.

Just remind us, will you, what the GDP per head was in (a) the DDR and
(b) the BRD immediately before reunification?


A man who believes that Stalin didn't kill anyone and the DDR was a
workers' paradise is hardly likely to let facts trouble him.

Luko: why did people flee the DDR, even at risk to their lives, in
such numbers that the DDR needed armed guards to keep them in? If it
was as good as you say, why would people have been so keen to leave
it? And why didn't you live there while it existed?

ian

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On 31/12/11 08:02, ian batten wrote:
Next stop: Holocaust denial.

The hard left generally doesn't deny that the holocaust happened, but
doesn't mind that it did.

The hard right generally denies that the holocaust happened, but would
prefer that it had.

Ian

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On 31/12/11 10:24, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 31.12.2011 09:02, schrieb ian batten:
claiming Stalin didn't kill his political opponents.

Do you?

"According to the declassified Soviet archives, during 1937 and 1938,
the NKVD detained 1,548,366 victims, of whom 681,692 were shot - an
average of 1,000 executions a day"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_P...eople_executed


Ian

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Am 31.12.2011 12:09, schrieb ian batten:

A man who believes that Stalin didn't kill anyone and the DDR was a
workers' paradise is hardly likely to let facts trouble him.

Luko: why did people flee the DDR, even at risk to their lives, in
such numbers that the DDR needed armed guards to keep them in?

Although I'm not Lügo, it is believed that it was just capitalistic
propaganda spread out through West German TV and - bananas:
http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archiv...L_1089244s.jpg
(Front cover of a West German magazine in November 1989)

Some more propaganda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4RMwEYrOE8
(There is also the full movie available at youtube)

SCNR

Oliver Schnell