Are you certain the readers were off? The gates can be set to open but
wouldn't normally be powered down unless there's a fault.

I've saved a small fortune out of zone recently because the gates at
stations are open and the Oyster readers don't do anything (no noise,
no LED, nothing recorded on the card) when you touch your card on
them.

There's no point in these endless "remember to touch your card on the
reader even if the gates are open" messages and posters if the readers
are all switched off!

This has happened to me at London Bridge, Morden, South Wimbledon and
Vauxhall (NR) in the past two weeks - I want to give TfL my money but
apparently they don't want it!

(Matt Ashby) wrote in message . com...
Are you certain the readers were off? The gates can be set to open but
wouldn't normally be powered down unless there's a fault.

I've saved a small fortune out of zone recently because the gates at
stations are open and the Oyster readers don't do anything (no noise,
no LED, nothing recorded on the card) when you touch your card on
them.

There's no point in these endless "remember to touch your card on the
reader even if the gates are open" messages and posters if the readers
are all switched off!

This has happened to me at London Bridge, Morden, South Wimbledon and
Vauxhall (NR) in the past two weeks - I want to give TfL my money but
apparently they don't want it!

As I mentioned in another thread the Vauxhall NR reader do not seem to
update the status of the card as you pass through. I often take
Vauxhall NR - Waterloo - Bank - Shadwell DLR (SWT and the Drain is
usually quicker than underground via Oxford Circus) but if I use the
Oyster to enter at Vauxhall NR then use the validators on exit at
Shadwell DLR the screens at Shadwell show 'Enter' rather than 'Exit'
and I get an unresolved journey, even though it is all within my
Travelcard zones. Vauxhall NR also does not show up on the journey
record on the large ticket machines - although the DLR also shows up
as blanks come to think of it.

I guess there must be more journeys like this where it is better to
ignore the advice to always validate on enter/exit. Although if I
enter inside the underground and don't validate at Shadwell then I
also get an unresolved journey. Besides, the DLR signs clearly say
only pre-pay customers need to validate - so is it because I have
some credit on my oyster card that I get unresolved journeys or am I
just reading the signs/posters wrong?

--
Gareth Davis

As I mentioned in another thread the Vauxhall NR reader do not seem to
update the status of the card as you pass through. I often take
Vauxhall NR - Waterloo - Bank - Shadwell DLR (SWT and the Drain is
usually quicker than underground via Oxford Circus) but if I use the
Oyster to enter at Vauxhall NR then use the validators on exit at
Shadwell DLR the screens at Shadwell show 'Enter' rather than 'Exit'
and I get an unresolved journey, even though it is all within my
Travelcard zones. Vauxhall NR also does not show up on the journey
record on the large ticket machines - although the DLR also shows up
as blanks come to think of it.

You have to validate in at Waterloo (Waterloo & City) platforms, as
you always need to have swiped in and out for the part of your journey
where Prepay is valid, even if you havea vaild travelcard covering all
the zones.

wrote in message . ..
[snip]

You have to validate in at Waterloo (Waterloo & City) platforms, as
you always need to have swiped in and out for the part of your journey
where Prepay is valid, even if you havea vaild travelcard covering all
the zones.

But I have already swiped in at Vauxhall NR and the signs say quite
clearly that only Prepay users need to swipe.

As far as I can see you should always swipe an even number of times.
Hence in at Vauxhall NR and out at Shadwell DLR rather than in at
Vauxhall NR, in again at Waterloo W&C then out at Shadwell DLR - which
looks like an unresolved journey to me. Although I did give the W&C
validators a go today and it did appear as 'enter' which was matched
by an 'exit' at Shadwell - so this would appear to be the correct
solution. I did ask at the Shadwell ELL ticket office when clearing
previous unresolved journeys and as far as they could see Vauxhall NR
had never been recorded on my card - it was invisible to the system -
and I had never used my card there as far as they could tell.

Validating midway through a journey sounds like it should cause an
unresolved journey, but apparently in this case it does not (probably
because Vauxhall NR does not exist). But when I travel Farringdon -
King's Cross Thameslink - Oxford Circus it does not need the
additional validation on the Thameslink machines to resolve correctly
- maybe because Farringdon is an LUL gateline?

I would be interested to know if all Oyster equipped NR stations are
equally invisible to the system or if this is some quirk of Vauxhall
NR. Has anyone else managed to make a journey through an NR Oyster
gateline without getting an unresolved journey in the process? I can't
be the only person in London having this problem

--
Gareth Davis

(Gareth Davis) wrote in message . com...
wrote in message . ..
[snip]

You have to validate in at Waterloo (Waterloo & City) platforms, as
you always need to have swiped in and out for the part of your journey
where Prepay is valid, even if you havea vaild travelcard covering all
the zones.

But I have already swiped in at Vauxhall NR and the signs say quite
clearly that only Prepay users need to swipe.

Yes, you must ignore the signs, and treat NR gates as purely there for
access control with your valid Travelcard.

On the other hand, some LU stations will not charge you for unresolved
journeys if you have a valid travelcard, such as Kentish Town, Queens
Park, and any station where a non-Prepay journey might be possible.

Matthew

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:10:37 +0000, wrote:


You have to validate in at Waterloo (Waterloo & City) platforms, as
you always need to have swiped in and out for the part of your journey
where Prepay is valid, even if you havea vaild travelcard covering all
the zones.

Says who? The signs say otherwise.

K wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:10:37 +0000, wrote:


You have to validate in at Waterloo (Waterloo & City) platforms, as
you always need to have swiped in and out for the part of your journey
where Prepay is valid, even if you havea vaild travelcard covering all
the zones.

Says who? The signs say otherwise.

The signs are wrong. Possibly the Prepay / Travelcard logic will be
changed at some point to agree with the signs.

On 4 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0800, (Matthew
Dickinson) wrote:



Says who? The signs say otherwise.

The signs are wrong. Possibly the Prepay / Travelcard logic will be
changed at some point to agree with the signs.

As I said - Says who? Are we to take your word for it that all the
signs and literature are incorrect?

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:29:22 +0000, K wrote:

On 4 Feb 2004 14:32:58 -0800, (Matthew
Dickinson) wrote:



Says who? The signs say otherwise.

The signs are wrong. Possibly the Prepay / Travelcard logic will be
changed at some point to agree with the signs.

As I said - Says who? Are we to take your word for it that all the
signs and literature are incorrect?

Most of the other posters and leaflets (although they are mostly not
well phrased.)