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HoxtonOvergroundSurvey;136794 Wrote:
Hello,

I am conducting research on the impact of the Hoxton Overground station
since it opened in 2010. The study is part of the requirements for the
Masters in Urban Planning from the University of Amsterdam. I would like
to ask you a few questions about how the station has impacted your
connection to the community and the city.

By taking the survey, you either have to live within the boundaries of
Hoxton or use the Hoxton Overground station semi-frequently.

You will find a link to the survey below:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/hoxtonovergroundsurvey

For the purpose of this survey, the borders of Hoxton will be: The
Regents Canal in the north, City Road/ Wharf Road in the west, Old
Street/Hackney Road/Columbia Road in the south and Queensbridge Road in
the East.

No personal information will be collected in this survey and it will
take about 10 minutes to complete.

Please feel free to send this to anyone you think might be interested
and fits the criteria.

Thank you so much for you time,
Patrick

I hope you receive a response from every adult resident of Hoxton.

In the days of British Rail there was no station at Hoxton. Trains ran
non-stop between Broad Street and Dalston Junction.

Before the Second World War there had been additional stations. Mildmay
Park
was closed in 1934, Haggerston was closed in May, 1940 and Shoreditch
was
closed in October 1940. When the War ended, it was decided not to reopen

these stations, almost certainly because they had been so lightly
patronised
previously.

But so where many others on what is now "the overground"

Times have changed and these stations are now well used (again).

tim

Quantify "well used".

On 2013-04-30 15:59:09 +0000, Robin9 said:

Quantify "well used".

Figures were posted above. I live close by the line, midway between
Dalston and Haggerston, and if you want reassurance I can tell you than
there is much development in the area and many new flats, businesses
and an influx of young people. The stations will get busier but are
already fairly well used but many outlying stations have quiet periods
off peak. The line got much busier when the Highbury link was opened
and even busier now with Clapham.

E.

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:55:03 +0100
eastender wrote:
On 2013-04-30 15:59:09 +0000, Robin9 said:

Quantify "well used".

Figures were posted above. I live close by the line, midway between
Dalston and Haggerston, and if you want reassurance I can tell you than
there is much development in the area and many new flats, businesses
and an influx of young people. The stations will get busier but are
already fairly well used but many outlying stations have quiet periods
off peak. The line got much busier when the Highbury link was opened
and even busier now with Clapham.

It would be even busier still if TfL hadn't decided it could get a few
extra pieces of silver but having it just brush zone 1 so making it
pointless as a detour to avoid paying the zone 1 fare. It might also help
if the trains did a bit more than 25 mph everywhere.

--
Spud

In article ,
d wrote:
It would be even busier still if TfL hadn't decided it could get a few
extra pieces of silver but having it just brush zone 1 so making it
pointless as a detour to avoid paying the zone 1 fare.

True - but IIRC, that was a decision imposed on TfL by DfT as a condition
of TfL getting the funding to build the line in the first place.

It might also help
if the trains did a bit more than 25 mph everywhere.

Depsite these points, it seems to be quite popular as it is!

--
Mike Bristow

On Wed, 1 May 2013 13:15:35 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
It would be even busier still if TfL hadn't decided it could get a few
extra pieces of silver but having it just brush zone 1 so making it
pointless as a detour to avoid paying the zone 1 fare.

True - but IIRC, that was a decision imposed on TfL by DfT as a condition
of TfL getting the funding to build the line in the first place.

Was it? I can't see the rationale behind that. Seems a bit mean spirited.

It might also help
if the trains did a bit more than 25 mph everywhere.

Depsite these points, it seems to be quite popular as it is!

No doubt, but it could be even more popular and take some strain off the
tube. If I had to commute to canary wharf I personally wouldn't bother to use
it. The DLR or Jubilee seem a much better - and direct - option given they
cost the same.

--
Spud

On 2013-05-01 12:52:55 +0000, d said:

If I had to commute to canary wharf I personally wouldn't bother to use
it. The DLR or Jubilee seem a much better - and direct - option given they
cost the same.

Well, if like my wife you live in Dalston and work in Canary Wharf I
bet you would use it, changing at either Shadwell or Canada Water. It
only takes her about 20 mins to get there. Of course you could opt for
the 277 bus instead - let's have a race.

E.

On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:52:55PM +0000, d wrote:

No doubt, but it could be even more popular and take some strain off the
tube. If I had to commute to canary wharf I personally wouldn't bother to use
it. The DLR or Jubilee seem a much better - and direct - option given they
cost the same.

You what? Of course the Jubilee and DLR are better for Canary Wharf than
the Overground is, what with them, umm, going to Canary Wharf.

--
David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age

There are many different types of sausages. The best are
from the north of England. The wurst are from Germany.
-- seen in alt.2eggs...

On Wed, 01 May 2013 15:50:20 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote:
needed. If Shoreditch High St had remained in Z2 then it is likely
huge numbers of people would have changed onto the ELL to reach the
City via SHS and Zone 2. If that abstraction had arisen then the DfT
could have been lumbered with the bill for revenue support *or* there
would have been demands from the TOCs for compensation from TfL. That
is how the industry structure works.

Figures. Industry first, passengers second, what a surprise. Still, I suppose
if you're a City bound commuter and you don't mind a walk you can always get
off at Hoxton going south or Whitechapel going north to avoid zone 1.

I agree it is rather leisurely but I think the low running speeds and
padded timetables are how the impressive performance stats are
achieved. If everything was scheduled "on a knife edge" then it would
take almost nothing to cause the service to run late and be delayed.

But it would only be delayed on paper. It would still generally be quicker
in practice. There are quite long stretches where 40mph is easily
achievable with the acceleration of the trains. It seems a bit of a cop out
to run them so slow.

--
Spud

On 2013\05\01 15:50, Paul Corfield wrote:

Yes it was. The rationale was to prevent astraction of revenue from
TOCs running into London Bridge and Cannon St where a Z1 ticket is
needed. If Shoreditch High St had remained in Z2 then it is likely
huge numbers of people would have changed onto the ELL to reach the
City via SHS and Zone 2. If that abstraction had arisen then the DfT
could have been lumbered with the bill for revenue support *or* there
would have been demands from the TOCs for compensation from TfL. That
is how the industry structure works.

I don't like the fact that the ELL has been placed on Z1 as it spoils
the Z23 orbital concept but I am pleased we actually got the line
built.

They could make Shoreditch Zone 1 for entering or exiting, but Zone 2
for passing through.

BTW, I still can't believe that they didn't just call that station
"Shoreditch". The walk from the old station to the new one is about the
same as the walk from Angel's old entrance to new one, but they didn't
feel the need to rename Angel. And SHS is not in the High Street anyway.